Intel 4790 Upgrade

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It's been a while since my last upgrade, so I wanted to confirm this is the best option for the money. I've always used Gigabyte for motherboards, so want to keep using them, but is the master version worth the extra ££, is the Ultra or Pro just as good.


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £985.07 (includes shipping: £11.10)
 
The new gigabyte Z390 boards seem to have great vrms and get really good reviews. I think its worth the extra to get the master if pairing it with a 9900k and you are going to overclock it.
 
It's been a while since my last upgrade, so I wanted to confirm this is the best option for the money.
The best option is waiting for summer and release of Ryzen 3000 serie.

While Intel has at the moment advantage over AMD thanks to higher clock speeds, don't see any good in current Intels at their current price.
Just for start there's barely any improvement in cores/threads per money from the early decade.
And that performance advantage to Ryzen is far far less than price difference.

And unlike those lot cheaper £300 CPUs of early decade, current overpriced CPUs won't stay high end even one third of the time.
Also despite of marketing being in "9th" gen those use same old 6th gen Skylake architecture, which is only one incremental step ahead of your Haswell.
(5th gen Broadwell was pretty much just getting 14nm working for high end CPUs)

Current Ryzens are clock speed limited because of second rate GlobalFroundries using originally Samsung's phone/tablet CPU node to make them.
Also architecturally improved Zen2 CPUs use TSMC's 7nm High Performance node, which is more advanced than Intel's node.
In CES AMD demoed eight core engineering sample matching 9900K's processing power at ~50W lower power consumption.
So there's room for clock speed tweaking without TSMC's node maturing from manufacturing time of that CPU in last year.
Also rumoured chiplet design got confirmed and AMD also hinted doing another push of core counts from Zen1.
So 8 cores/16 threads is likely going to be that fair £200 standard level model and 12c/24t £100 higher hobbyer level.
For the price level of that ludicrously overpriced 9900K there's likely 16c/32t model.

Next-gen consoles are also likely coming with 8c/16t Zen2.
So running heavy multiplatter games made for those is going to need lots of cores to run all the bloatware/overhead of Wintoys PC.

So buying Intel now is belonging to Intel's cash cow race instead of any PC master race.
 
Interesting post, I get the idea that no time is a good time to upgrade, but this has actually made me think about waiting.

What I do find concerning about AMD is the lack of motherboard options & Tech available when compared to the Intel. :(
For most of the decade when AMD was out of high end competition improvements were very incremental and waiting for new CPU didn't do much good.
In fact Intel basically killed advance of game development for decade by stalling high end to four cores and cheap market PCs to dual cores.
In that situation there wasn't any sense for game developers to look into new ways for utilizing higher core counts.

But now AMD has brought back competition and pushes forward very agressively.
While instead of wholly answering to competition Intel has been just pumping consumer's butt... err prices upward.
Along with artificially forcing people to buy new motherboards for those more expensive CPUs:
https://www.techpowerup.com/250109/...0-ghz-overclock-on-a-z170-chipset-motherboard
That's how greedy Intel is.

In AMD motherboard's biggest deficiency in selection is in mATX size.
In ATX size there's quite decent choise when you just know what to look and what to avoid.
Like Asus mobos below Prime X470-Pro having total garbage CPU VRM.
Maybe "Zen2" motherboards finally correct that.

Again PCIe v4.0 could be available for GPU slot in current motherboards:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-pcie-4.0-motherboard,38401.html
Any super high speed NVMe slot etc speeds are simply useless synthetic benchmarketing snake oil for home use.
 
Interesting post, I get the idea that no time is a good time to upgrade, but this has actually made me think about waiting.

What I do find concerning about AMD is the lack of motherboard options & Tech available when compared to the Intel. :(

A 6 core i7 was the extent of Intel's tech before AMD released Ryzen. Intel reluctantly tries to beat them by adding cores as well, but would probably rather have continued selling less cores to make more profit.
 
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It's been a while since my last upgrade, so I wanted to confirm this is the best option for the money. I've always used Gigabyte for motherboards, so want to keep using them, but is the master version worth the extra ££, is the Ultra or Pro just as good.


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £985.07 (includes shipping: £11.10)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,040.45 (includes shipping: £10.50)

ram is samsung b-die as well but looser timings, just set to 3600hz in bios and good to go

personally, 9700k and pro wifi for gaming



My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £759.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)​

or wait till ryzen 3000 july and intel i believe is end of year. first on their list is 14nm 22 core X299

x570 aorus boards will be a little bit better then z490 currently - handle extra threads - all this lower power stuff is naff, overclock it and you'll want the vrm coverage - why wouldn't recommend b450 for those looking to jump to ryzen 3/4000 high core count . 7nm node is technically 10nm in eff wise to intels - but have a feeling their first 10nm products wont be as good as their 14nm ++ currently is , specially since its taken them yearsssssssssssssssss to get it out the gate!
 
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