Intel actually more efficient for gaming?

rustyk21 · 13 Jan 2021 at 20:09

turbot1984 said:
Aye .... as an aside my i9 10850K at 5.2ghz pulls enough power to keep Blackpool lit up

And you're getting a sustained 5.2Ghz on all cores in minecraft?

That said, if you're like me and don't have gas central heating, well, it all goes somewhere.

turbot1984 · 13 Jan 2021 at 20:20

rustyk21 said:
And you're getting a sustained 5.2Ghz on all cores in minecraft?

That said, if you're like me and don't have gas central heating, well, it all goes somewhere.

Not sure about Minecraft, but CP2077 uses all 10 cores (about 30% usage all core 5.2)

rustyk21 · 13 Jan 2021 at 21:22

turbot1984 said:
Not sure about Minecraft, but CP2077 uses all 10 cores (about 30% usage all core 5.2)

Out of interest, is that normal boosting behaviour or are you running an all core overlock? If it's only 30% usage then that suggests that you're GPU bound. Which wouldn't be surprising really, especially with a 10 core CPU. I wonder if the load is equal across cores though, or if there's still some evidence of single thread dependency.
Don't suppose you have any way of measuring CPU power draw or know what sustained voltage the cores are running at?

turbot1984 · 14 Jan 2021 at 09:15

rustyk21 said:
Out of interest, is that normal boosting behaviour or are you running an all core overlock? If it's only 30% usage then that suggests that you're GPU bound. Which wouldn't be surprising really, especially with a 10 core CPU. I wonder if the load is equal across cores though, or if there's still some evidence of single thread dependency.
Don't suppose you have any way of measuring CPU power draw or know what sustained voltage the cores are running at?

The load looks very similar across all cores and threads, even FS2020 which is heavy on cpu, seems to utilise less cores, but peaks are higher. Voltage is fixed 1.370v, max power draw i have seen, in Cinebench, 217W.

Destination · 14 Jan 2021 at 10:43

Poneros said:
I don't know why some people have such a hard time understanding very simple things. This is a test about efficiency while gaming, not let's max out the OC and see what happens. RTFA

It would seem you have misinterpreted the results, and they have generated very strange conditions, suggesting this gives an adequate comparison. It doesn't.

DeathStorm · 14 Jan 2021 at 12:43

rustyk21 said:
Shame it's not possible to have a grown up conversation here.

Sometimes it's better to just call a spade a spade.

Poneros · 14 Jan 2021 at 15:43

Jesus, some people are straight up pathologically paranoid. Intel is paying people on blogs with 20 views to spread propaganda? Ooof! At least do basic research about who capframex is first.

Benass · 14 Jan 2021 at 18:33

How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

humbug · 14 Jan 2021 at 18:38

Benass said:
How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

Yes.

philo-sofa · 15 Jan 2021 at 16:31

Benass said:
How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

+1, this is what it comes down to

rustyk21 · 15 Jan 2021 at 19:23

Benass said:
How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

Yes, agreed. It would be nice to have sensible conversation about power draw as well though, but it seems challenging.

rustyk21 · 15 Jan 2021 at 19:24

DeathStorm said:
Sometimes it's better to just call a spade a spade.

A bit vague, I genuinely don't get what you mean?

CuriousTomCat · 15 Jan 2021 at 19:46

Benass said:
How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

Yes but if the whole world did that, the cheapest brand would have 100% market share and stagnation would return.

We just need to hope that both brands have their eye on the ball and react accordingly to prevent that from happening again.

rustyk21 · 15 Jan 2021 at 20:32

CuriousTomCat said:
Yes but if the whole world did that, the cheapest brand would have 100% market share and stagnation would return.

We just need to hope that both brands have their eye on the ball and react accordingly to prevent that from happening again.

I think we're talking about cheapest for the same level of performance, i.e. value for money, not absolute cheapest. If purchasing decisions just came down to VFM then I don't see how that would cause any stagnation. in fact it would encourage competition, because everyone would just buy whatever actually suits, rather than worry about who makes what.

Psycho Sonny · 15 Jan 2021 at 21:34

Troezar said:
I thought the main argument for Intel at the moment was overclocking it to 5GHz+ and squeezing out those extra 5fps at 1080p? The only way to test is to test as they are intended to be used, set up with real world setting/resolution.

Also isn't heat output a measure of efficiency? If they consume power but don't waste as much as heat then surely they are more efficient?

All electronics produce energy be it light, heat, sound, etc.

I would have thought a CPU eventually all power turns to heat. Because I don't see how any could be lost to sound or light.

Therefore if a CPU is consuming 95W of electricity I'd expect 95W worth of heat too.

Unless you can educate me on where that energy is being transferred to otherwise?

humbug · 15 Jan 2021 at 21:49

Psycho Sonny said:
All electronics produce energy be it light, heat, sound, etc.

I would have thought a CPU eventually all power turns to heat. Because I don't see how any could be lost to sound or light.

Therefore if a CPU is consuming 95W of electricity I'd expect 95W worth of heat too.

Unless you can educate me on where that energy is being transferred to otherwise?

Right, all energy used it turned into heat, a 200 Watt CPU will produce 200 Watts of heat, a 75 Watt CPU will produce 75 Watts of heat, no other way about it, its physics.

Psycho Sonny · 15 Jan 2021 at 22:15

humbug said:
Right, all energy used it turned into heat, a 200 Watt CPU will produce 200 Watts of heat, a 75 Watt CPU will produce 75 Watts of heat, no other way about it, its physics.

Exactly so his theory on efficiency is complete nonsense

MartinPrince · 16 Jan 2021 at 00:24

Psycho Sonny said:
Exactly so his theory on efficiency is complete nonsense

Yeah, I'm getting a sense it is more of a red herring rather than any meaningful metric to make a purchase judgement by.

Psycho Sonny · 16 Jan 2021 at 00:34

Benass said:
How about this for grouwn up conversation:
AMD is about to change socket. means this generation of mobos + cpu is a dead end like Intell.

So basicaly for gamin if intell and ryzen on similar performance and motherboards cant be used in future products, Doesnt it comes to Price which settup to buy. ??

Purely for gaming that is.

Bit isn't and committed to using a new socket for multiple generation's? Whereas intel uses a new socket for each generation?

I mean if I had to choose and AMD are saying buy an am5 mothboard and it will last me 3-4 generations or I can buy intel and it will only ever do me for 1 CPU and that's it then I'll choose AMD as it's better value for money long term.

Have AMD changed tack on not keeping the same socket?

Benass · 16 Jan 2021 at 10:24

Psycho Sonny said:
Bit isn't and committed to using a new socket for multiple generation's? Whereas intel uses a new socket for each generation?

I mean if I had to choose and AMD are saying buy an am5 mothboard and it will last me 3-4 generations or I can buy intel and it will only ever do me for 1 CPU and that's it then I'll choose AMD as it's better value for money long term.

Have AMD changed tack on not keeping the same socket?

i agree.. amd did much better job keeping am4 as long as they did.

but it came to an end, hope new socket will bring better stuff.