Intel Burn Test Query

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Does IBT 2.5 work with AMD chips..? I've googled this but can't seem to find a conclusive answer anywhere!

And if so, what is the difference between running it on standard as opposed to maximum? Because maximum uses all available RAM is it a better test for RAM stability?
 
Yes it works, but use LinX as suggested. That is the correct site as well, when using it I always select the all memory option. Seems to detect stablity issues better than Prime95.
 
Does IBT 2.5 work with AMD chips..? I've googled this but can't seem to find a conclusive answer anywhere!

And if so, what is the difference between running it on standard as opposed to maximum? Because maximum uses all available RAM is it a better test for RAM stability?

It does work with AMD cpus

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197835

It does test the ram but more ram just means that more Gaussian elimination equations are stored in the memory which is then processed by the cpu and results are outputted in GFlops which is a measure of cpu processing/execution speed.

However maximum stress level = available ram

Available ram is combination of free ram and cached ram (storing cached data on the physical ram). So when you run IBT on maximum stress level, free memory gets used up and even cached memory is reduced (strictly speaking plenty of cached data is terminated by windows in order to free up more memory for IBT usage).
However not all cached data/instructions is terminated by windows as those may be needed by other processes, programs etc. So in this case virtual memory can be assigned by windows to compensate for the cached memory which couldn't be freed. Since virtual memory is slower, it can affect cpu processing speed and in this case you could end up with lower GFlops values which in turn means that your cpu temps will be lower.

Have a read through this thread and the actual article on the subject of Linpack (LinX/IBT) by Perspolis:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18206940

Also post 71 in this thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=18449267#post18449267

Edit: Better to test on custom stress level and input 'Free memory' to ensure consistent GFlops values which will give indication of how fast your cpu is processing/executing those equations.
 
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As you can see that Maximum stress test doesn't always give high GFlops values even with more RAM. There is a difference of atleast 8C between the two settings while running the tests.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18438970&postcount=71

Maximum Stress Test

maximumtest30gflops.png


Custom Stress Test

customtest45gflops.png



IBT has 5 different stress test options:

-Standard 1024MB of ram used

-High 2048MB of ram used

-Very High Full installed ram: This option is actually pointless imo since 'Very High' tries to use all of your installed ram which in my case is 4GB. However since windows, background processes, device drivers, cached data also make use of the Ram, it then has problem running on this setting lol which basically it can't run. Anyone else managed to run IBT on very high because I certainly can't do it.

Maximum This makes use of the 'Available memory' which always varies as it is combination of Free physical memory and cached memory as explained previously.

Custom This is the most flexible option in that you can input whatever value you want for Ram and by tweaking the numbers, you can experiment and see what GFlops values you are capable of getting. I always use this option now.

Imho 'Standard', 'High' and 'Maximum' settings are hit or miss in terms of getting high GFlops values and these stress test options always use fixed value for ram. So for 'IBT stable' purpose these options aren't reliable.

As mentioned before

[email protected], 3.4 x 16 = 54.4GFlops Theoretical maximum

Now looking at those two results

Custom stress test: 45GFlops which is over 80% of the theoretical maximum

Maximum stress test: 30GFlops which is only 56% of the theoretical maximum and isn't really good indicator of being IBT stable as you may pass 'Maximum stress test' but fail 'Custom stress test' as 45GFlops means cpu is processing/executing instructions/equations faster and thus generating more heat.
 
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I think you're missing the point here - it's not about the gflops.

You're doing the overclock for more performance obviously but when stress testing you're trying to get it to fail so that's why you use the maximum amount of memory for bigger problem sizes. It's not about using specific memory sizes for optimum gflops. You're trying to stress test.

[email protected], 3.4 x 16 = 54.4GHz Theoretical maximum - what is this?
 
I think you're missing the point here - it's not about the gflops.

You're doing the overclock for more performance obviously but when stress testing you're trying to get it to fail so that's why you use the maximum amount of memory for bigger problem sizes. It's not about using specific memory sizes for optimum gflops. You're trying to stress test.

[email protected], 3.4 x 16 = 54.4GHz Theoretical maximum - what is this?

Sorry it is 54.4GFlops

Floating point operation (Flop) is the addition or multiplication of real numbers that can involve decimal fractions.

Modern processors involving SSE2 instructions in double-precision (64 bit) can perform 2 additions+2 multiplications per core in a cycle. So that is 4 Flops per core per cycle. So for a quad core that will be 16 Flops.

[email protected] means it is running 3.4billion cycles per second. Since quadcore cpu can perform 16Flops per cycle, we multiply that value with the no of cycles per second or cpu clock speed and in this case we end up with 16 x 3.4GHz = 54.4 billion Flops or 54.4GFlops or 54.4 billion Floating point operations per second.

Now 54.4 GFlops is the maximum output at 3.4Ghz.

However in real tests we can never achieve that value becaue of the hardware limitations such as ram latencies since IBT makes heavy use of ram.

As IBT involves solving system of linear simultaneous algebraic equations by means of Gaussian elimination method which I studied during my engineering degree; they involve multiplications and additions hence the Flops involved.

In IBT test we use RAM to store those equations which will be processed by cpu and result will be outputted in tems of GFLops. Sure using more ram means more equations will be stored and solved and hence the test will be longer and cpu will be under stress for greater duration.

However with low GFlops, cpu is carrying out less multiplications and additions on the equations per second. This means that cpu is performing at slower rate and hence the coretemps will also be lower. When the cpu is running slower, it's processing power is less hence in real world usage it will be able to pass IBT on lower vcore.

When cpu is performing closer to it's theoretical maximum, it is processing at greater speed. When it is doing so, it will also be releasing more heat. If your cpu cooler isn't good enough temps will hit the roof and you will fail the test. It will also require more vcore to stabilise.

So IBT can be looked at in 2 ways:

1) More ram places cpu under more loading time hence cpu is more stressed
2) Higher GFlops values means cpu processes/executes equations at faster rate and this will also be putting cpu under heavy stress.

Imho higher GFlops values beat higher amount of ram when stressing cpu.

A cpu can pass IBT test with large amount of ram at lower GFlops values but it will fail in a test with smaller amount of ram at higher GFlops values ;). This is what I have found from my own experience using IBT :).

Here is the article on running LinPack by Perspolis (original author) which I have posted several times and is very good for understanding on how to run LinPack (Linx/IBT).

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/645392-how-run-linpack-stress-test-linx.html

And here is the intel data sheet of GFlops for cpus at stock speed. If you carry out the calculation as mentioned above you will find that intel GFlops values agree :).

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-023143.htm#3

:)
 
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what's the point of quoting the post right above? :rolleyes:

Sorry it was my mistake when quoting the text. :)

Plus I have added my post above now :).

We are all learning here new things everyday.

When I first came to ocuk forums last june, my first thread was about turning pc on and off properly. Thanks to many guys over here I have managed to learn many new things and continue to do so :).
 
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Ive found that using the custom test with free ram as opposed to max results in higher gflop results, and higher temps which means the system is under more stress.
 
Not sure if this is the best thread to ask but lately I've been getting a problem with using anymore than ~1500mb ram with both Linx and IBT. Before I could max it out to 2047mb as I am still on 32-bit. Any ideas?
 
Is there a new programe running in the background using plenty memory? Remember it can only use what is available.
 
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