Intel Claws Back Desktop PC and Notebook Market Share From AMD, First Time in Three Years

[Dave2150]

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...58.1558187629.1612440682-111186561.1564435319

Sad news for AMD, despite having the best CPU's with Zen3, not being able to afford fabs to make their own CPU's means they will never be able to make enough CPU's for fulfil demand. This means more sales for Intel, even when Intel have the inferior CPU's.

Once Intel retake the gaming crown with Rocketlake, on a cheap as chips 14nm process, this will only get worse for AMD.

Alder Lake also launching 2H 2021, which is likely to be the next 'sandy bridge' moment for Intel, where they leafrog AMD.

I think the nail in the coffin for AMD was being contractually obligated to prioritize console APU's for the the PS5/XboxX, these are sold for such a low margin compared to Ryzen and have eaten away most of AMD's wafer supply from TSMC.

Sad times.

 

[Dave2150]

I think you are overreacting from a small drop in a single quarter (they are still up YoY and grew their CPU revenue 50%), at a time that they also produced over 5 million console chips. And I'm not sure your fab ownership point really chimes when Intel are also outsourcing chip production because their own fabs can't produce.

Intel are only outsourcing as it's a method of taking even more wafers away from AMD.

Do you think AMD stock level is at a good level now? It's going to get worse, as Intel are bidding on the same wafers AMD buy.

 

[Dave2150]

Intel may take back the gaming crown later this year, with a huge Furness of a CPU that's sure to become a meme.

6 Moths later, Zen 4 arrives...

The Nvidia RTX 3000 series also run as hot as furnaces. Does anyone care? No. Why not? They also happen to offer the best gaming performance.

As you've been told in the past, people don't care if it runs hot, they care about performance.

 

[Dave2150]

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rtx3000 cards run extremely cool

don't try to equate your 100c Rocket lake stock cpu to a 65c graphics cards mate

I think you're trolling, but can't be too sure these days, there are many novices out there that get sucked in by clickbait articles etc, so I'll assume you just don't know better.

RTX 3080 = 320W TDP
RTX 3090 350W TDP

TDP = Thermal design power

Compare the 3000 series to the 2000 series, the 1000 series, 900 series etc. 3000 series are a major step up in in TDP. They use far more power and output far more heat than previous generations.

320W can be adequately cooled by a large enough or efficient enough cooler, to run at 50DC, 60DC or 70DC at full load, though this still doesn't change it's TDP.

As long as the cooling solution used is good enough, you can have a 320W graphics card that runs cool and quiet, though it's still pumping out the same amount of heat into the room and is still using the same amount of electricity.

The majority have voted with their wallets. The leagues of 3080, 3090 owners (and potential owners waiting to snap one up) simply don't care about the heat output or the electricity consumption. They just want the best.

Rocket Lake, with it's 125W TDP will be the same. Sure, load up all 8C16T with a AVX-512 workload (something Ryzen doesn't support, and probably never will) and you'll see even higher TDP and heat output. Fire up the latest AAA game. Lets say Cyberpunk. You won't see anywhere near 100% utilization, temps will be low, you'll just have the best performance of any CPU on the planet.

Put a decent cooler on Rocket Lake, and you won't see 100DC. You'll see the usual 70, 80DC as long as it's got a beefy Noctua or a nice AIO on it.

Majority buy the best performing CPU. For games, this won't be a 16 core 5950X, it'll be the 11900k, which will also be a heck of a lot cheaper and more importantly, you'll actually find them in stock!

 

[Dave2150]

The 11900K isn't competing with the 5950X, that CPU is in a league of it's own. It's the 11900K vs the 5900X. And Intel will probably price it the same. There were some uninspiring Rocket Lake performance leaks earlier, but we'll see when the real deal drops.
I think lots of expectations have been the highest tier Intel CPU will run too hot, but from the 8700K to the 10900K, thermals haven't been bad.

I was joking about my earlier comment of course. AMD prioritised the console SOC, and Epyc, and sell everything they can make. AMD are on the up :

11900k will outperform the 5950x in games. The 5950x will destroy it in multi-threaded workloads, though the type of user buying a 16 core CPU for serious productivity is likely a developer with a xeon/epic workstation, ECC, extra PCI-E lanes, IE not buying consumer parts.