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Intel cutting back on the Intel Inside program,and it might lead to price increases?!

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Some news articles have popped up about this,and it might lead to price increases on PCs:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-inside-partner-program-cut


Intel's Inside program getting cut would hit us right in the wallet with a PC price hike

Intel have been funding system builders indirectly for years - aiding in the marketing for builders and keeping prices down for the consumer. Sounds good for everyone (except AMD), right? Well, it might get cut.

Through their Intel Inside partner program, they have been strengthening their own market position among OEMs, system builders, and PC owners. Those third-party builders get a heap of rewards - indirectly, monetary, or otherwise - to help them along, too.

Members of Intel’s Inside program have been reaping the benefits of the system for some time, with Intel lending a hand in ‘co-marketing funds’, ‘marketing activities’, and other cooperative business stuff. All the OEMs need to do in return is buy a certain number of Intel’s products and place the Intel logo on their products to reap the benefits.

A report from CRN suggests that Intel are planning on undergoing huge changes to this OEM/Intel co-venture program, with Intel supposedly cutting funding across the board. Intel’s proposed cuts are supposedly up to a whopping 60%, which may leave OEMs and enthusiast builders to largely fend for themselves, or possibly start striking deals with alternative primary colour branded competitors.


“While we are evolving how we co-market with our OEM customers, the Intel Inside brand continues to be an important symbol of performance and quality,” an Intel spokesperson says in conversation with CRN. “The changes we are making are intended to help customers more efficiently and effectively market with Intel, while helping us market with more precision in alignment with Intel’s business priorities.”

It’s a strange time for Intel to ditch their ‘gold standard’ marketing model, considering 2017 was the first year in a decade that Intel have been under any kind of threat whatsoever, with AMD’s Ryzen processors arriving on the scene. It is especially a poor time for PC builders as prices are already sky-high from multiple fabrication issues for components.

It seems Intel are committed to their new vision of moving away from client-based computing and their ‘business priorities’ seemingly no longer lie with enthusiast gaming rigs. That’s because AMD aren’t Intel’s only competition, with Samsung quickly rising to the potential top-spot of semiconductor production in 2017, and Nvidia ushering in the end of the world as we know it with AI. Intel can potentially no longer justify the self-spending marketing budget in this segment.


But this is not hugely surprising. Intel have been repositioning themselves since CEO Bryan Krzanich announced the company’s departure from client-based systems in 2016 to move into the expanding cloud-based data, memory, and Internet of Things markets. This move seems to be following Intel’s push into forward-thinking markets, and we may be seeing less involvement from Intel in the direct sales and marketing of their ‘Intel Inside’ brand throughout 2018 and beyond because of it.

With Intel possibly ditching the marketing brand, many OEMs and system builders may find themselves in a difficult position, which could lead to more bad news for gamers. These potential cuts may lead to yet another pricing mountain that gamers have to climb in 2018 and beyond - as if GPU, SSD, and memory pricing increases weren’t bad enough.
 
Intel right now:

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'you bought AMD and we lost market share screw you guys'
 
But surely ending the Intel Inside Program will lose them even more market share as those OEM's and system builders start using AMD?
 
Looks like Intel beign forced to finally give six cores at desktop platform makes profit margin not high enough for them and they want to start cutting costs more.

I mean that toothpaste under heatsreader instead of solder just can't make that big difference.
 
But surely ending the Intel Inside Program will lose them even more market share as those OEM's and system builders start using AMD?

Yep seems odd, as would imagine it only really affects the really large OEM's like HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Acer etc. which then surely makes AMD processors on par cost wise, and so more incentive to offer.

For smaller/boutique builders (including OcUK), I imagine it makes little to know difference
 
Yep seems odd, as would imagine it only really affects the really large OEM's like HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Acer etc. which then surely makes AMD processors on par cost wise, and so more incentive to offer.

For smaller/boutique builders (including OcUK), I imagine it makes little to know difference

It depends - in the US there seems to be far more rebates on DIY parts and far more deals too from the larger computer retailers,so it might mean less offers on Intel parts in those stores.
 
I have bought intel since i started building pc's (bar one year in amd) and i really just dont get some of there moves and price increases.

For example a pretty standard complaint for along time now is proper tim or even solder between die and ihs and they refuse to do it and i just dont know why (literally pennies difference but a huge difference for consumer).

I for one am glad amd are making a good push again as i really hope ryzen 2 is awesome so intel freak out like they did this year.
 
So let me get this straight.
AMD makes great product. People buy this product over Intel. So Intel RAISES prices.
Nope sorry. Intel need to man up and LOWER PROFITS. until they have a product/price that brings people back.

I'm already on the fence between 1700 / 8700. If Intel put prices up then this just forces me to AMD.
 
Intel are sliding and rightly deserve to. For years they abused their market leader position to keep prices sky high & milk old tech. Now AMD come along with way cheaper tech so everyone jumps ship to AMD ;) None of these companies every repay brand loyalty just go for the cheapest & best deal which by a long way is AMD at every single level now. Intel are stubborn most of their sales are to system builders so unless Intel want to cut their prices massively AMD are going to keep gaining market share you would be insane not to build an AMD system right now they are offering massive gains on the desktop for minimal money!
 
I didn't much care for Intel's dirty tactics with the likes of Dell, this is their punishment.
 
But surely ending the Intel Inside Program will lose them even more market share as those OEM's and system builders start using AMD?

They are probably gonna replace it with something.

When it comes to consumers the Intel brand is strong because AMD have been nowhere for so long.
 
So let me get this straight.
AMD makes great product. People buy this product over Intel. So Intel RAISES prices.
Nope sorry. Intel need to man up and LOWER PROFITS. until they have a product/price that brings people back.

I'm already on the fence between 1700 / 8700. If Intel put prices up then this just forces me to AMD.

So amd makes a bad product (Vega)
People don't buy this over cheaper Gp104/ or almost same price Gp102. So Amd and aibs raise prices as Vega is expensive to msanufacture.
Nope Amd need to man up and lower prices, or axe a product that would put them in the negative and release a product that is cheap, efficient and benefits from high yield and brings people back. :)
 
So amd makes a bad product (Vega)
People don't buy this over cheaper Gp104/ or almost same price Gp102. So Amd and aibs raise prices as Vega is expensive to msanufacture.
Nope Amd need to man up and lower prices, or axe a product that would put them in the negative and release a product that is cheap, efficient and benefits from high yield and brings people back. :)
Literally what are you talking about. Talk about tenous link and off topic. I'm not bugging up AMD here. I'm talking about Intel and CPUs. So yeah. Thanks for the Vega chat??
 
Yeah, no wonder some of the Internet's Intel shills have been working overtime since Ryzen, a lot of people are very invested in AMD failing.
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Something like this is only sustainable if you have total market share because effectively what you as a huge company are doing is selling high volume with low margins, if someone else can offer a similar product for the same or less money and starts eating into your market share suddenly you are selling less volume for low margins and finding it more and more difficult to sustain your profits.

AMD don't need the levels of profits Intel do because their overheads are a fraction of Intel's, AMD over the past 5 years have been able to sustain themselves with virtually 0 marketshare, it was perhaps 3%.

Just about every Ryzen CPU AMD sell is money AMD previously did not have and its one less sale for Intel, over this past Ryzen year Ryzen has been outselling Intel at Germany's largest retailer conglomerate (Mind Factory) and according to Gibbo here too even post Coffeelake, so Intel are also finding it hard to recoup their margins from overpriced retail CPU's.

You know what, if you as an OEM or custom PC builder are so dependant on Intel giving you rebates and discount deals then your whole business model is completely flawed, Intel are not going to transfer their profits to you so you can survive in a changing market, lose your dependence on Intel or die.
In these times there is less and less money for a giant Intel servicing the consumer market, Intel knew this before Ryzen and what it has done is exasperated the problem for them.
OEM's are already putting more and more AMD products into their Systems, even Intel themselves are looking to AMD to supply them with competitive GPU technology so they can compete with Nvidia in machine learning and all that stuff...
Intel them selves are no longer interested in competing with AMD in the consumer market, i would go as far as to say its even in Intel's Interest that AMD remain a healthy company so they can continue to exists helping them combat Nvidia, the consumer market would be an easy thing for Intel to hand over to AMD so they have an income.
 
Yeah, no wonder some of the Internet's Intel shills have been working overtime since Ryzen, a lot of people are very invested in AMD failing.
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Something like this is only sustainable if you have total market share because effectively what you as a huge company are doing is selling high volume with low margins, if someone else can offer a similar product for the same or less money and starts eating into your market share suddenly you are selling less volume for low margins and finding it more and more difficult to sustain your profits.

AMD don't need the levels of profits Intel do because their overheads are a fraction of Intel's, AMD over the past 5 years have been able to sustain themselves with virtually 0 marketshare, it was perhaps 3%.

Just about every Ryzen CPU AMD sell is money AMD previously did not have and its one less sale for Intel, over this past Ryzen year Ryzen has been outselling Intel at Germany's largest retailer conglomerate (Mind Factory) and according to Gibbo here too even post Coffeelake, so Intel are also finding it hard to recoup their margins from overpriced retail CPU's.

You know what, if you as an OEM or custom PC builder are so dependant on Intel giving you rebates and discount deals then your whole business model is completely flawed, Intel are not going to transfer their profits to you so you can survive in a changing market, lose your dependence on Intel or die.
In these times there is less and less money for a giant Intel servicing the consumer market, Intel knew this before Ryzen and what it has done is exasperated the problem for them.
OEM's are already putting more and more AMD products into their Systems, even Intel themselves are looking to AMD to supply them with competitive GPU technology so they can compete with Nvidia in machine learning and all that stuff...
Intel them selves are no longer interested in competing with AMD in the consumer market, i would go as far as to say its even in Intel's Interest that AMD remain a healthy company so they can continue to exists helping them combat Nvidia, the consumer market would be an easy thing for Intel to hand over to AMD so they have an income.

To that ^^^ for the first time in years people like PCWorld are advertising Laptop's on telly "powered by A9 AMD APU's"

Balances are becoming redressed, adapt.
 
Anyway back to the OP. Discuss.

Intel's Inside program getting cut would hit us right in the wallet with a PC price hike

Intel have been funding system builders indirectly for years - aiding in the marketing for builders and keeping prices down for the consumer. Sounds good for everyone (except AMD), right? Well, it might get cut.

Through their Intel Inside partner program, they have been strengthening their own market position among OEMs, system builders, and PC owners. Those third-party builders get a heap of rewards - indirectly, monetary, or otherwise - to help them along, too.

Members of Intel’s Inside program have been reaping the benefits of the system for some time, with Intel lending a hand in ‘co-marketing funds’, ‘marketing activities’, and other cooperative business stuff. All the OEMs need to do in return is buy a certain number of Intel’s products and place the Intel logo on their products to reap the benefits.

A report from CRN suggests that Intel are planning on undergoing huge changes to this OEM/Intel co-venture program, with Intel supposedly cutting funding across the board. Intel’s proposed cuts are supposedly up to a whopping 60%, which may leave OEMs and enthusiast builders to largely fend for themselves, or possibly start striking deals with alternative primary colour branded competitors.


“While we are evolving how we co-market with our OEM customers, the Intel Inside brand continues to be an important symbol of performance and quality,” an Intel spokesperson says in conversation with CRN. “The changes we are making are intended to help customers more efficiently and effectively market with Intel, while helping us market with more precision in alignment with Intel’s business priorities.”

It’s a strange time for Intel to ditch their ‘gold standard’ marketing model, considering 2017 was the first year in a decade that Intel have been under any kind of threat whatsoever, with AMD’s Ryzen processors arriving on the scene. It is especially a poor time for PC builders as prices are already sky-high from multiple fabrication issues for components.

It seems Intel are committed to their new vision of moving away from client-based computing and their ‘business priorities’ seemingly no longer lie with enthusiast gaming rigs. That’s because AMD aren’t Intel’s only competition, with Samsung quickly rising to the potential top-spot of semiconductor production in 2017, and Nvidia ushering in the end of the world as we know it with AI. Intel can potentially no longer justify the self-spending marketing budget in this segment.


But this is not hugely surprising. Intel have been repositioning themselves since CEO Bryan Krzanich announced the company’s departure from client-based systems in 2016 to move into the expanding cloud-based data, memory, and Internet of Things markets. This move seems to be following Intel’s push into forward-thinking markets, and we may be seeing less involvement from Intel in the direct sales and marketing of their ‘Intel Inside’ brand throughout 2018 and beyond because of it.

With Intel possibly ditching the marketing brand, many OEMs and system builders may find themselves in a difficult position, which could lead to more bad news for gamers. These potential cuts may lead to yet another pricing mountain that gamers have to climb in 2018 and beyond - as if GPU, SSD, and memory pricing increases weren’t bad enough.
 
Yay glad it's dead, was always a controversial program being a rough continuation of what they got repeatedly caught doing and penalised for. Dropping that spend will leave more margin on the table so they could just drop prices which would be better than spending money on annoying adverts. If both sides are competing on price and perf not creative b2b deals that'd be much better for us.

No idea who failed to work out this was never 'free money', terrible commentary in the original link.
 
Yay glad it's dead, was always a controversial program being a rough continuation of what they got repeatedly caught doing and penalised for. Dropping that spend will leave more margin on the table so they could just drop prices which would be better than spending money on annoying adverts. If both sides are competing on price and perf not creative b2b deals that'd be much better for us.

No idea who failed to work out this was never 'free money', terrible commentary in the original link.

Right, the commentary is so naive, or alternately motivated, those deals Intel offer OEM's and system builders are never passed on to the costumer, it goes to the owners and shareholders pockets and nor do Intel do this to benefit consumers, they do it to deny any rivals market share and then recoup costs by over charging in (what was at least) an Intel only retail space.

Competition is good and both are only after your money, I DO know why some people take it so seriously they have to make it about the person they disagree with rather than anything they are saying, yes also looking at you Martini with you too its also just about me, put me on your ignore list because clearly i have gotten under your skin, wouldn't it be marvellous if that was my intention? think about your behaviour, you and Gavin, no really.
 
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