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Intel:Have they conned us??

rikky

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With this stampede to upgrade from "older" core 2 duo chips to the new ones I can't help feeling that Intel might just have conned us a bit, I mean are they THAT good to justify replacing an e6300 with say an e6420??
Any benchmarks that I have seen do not really seem to justify it in my eyes, sure you might get double the amount of cache but in day to day computing is that going to make much if any of a difference.
I would be interested in anbody upgrading from old core 2 duo to the new chips on whether they feel the upgrade has been justified or whether in hindsight they would have been better sticking with what they had.
It just seems to me that the urge to have "bragging rights" and the most up to date rigs might not be all it is cracked up to be with these new chips.
 
how can they con you. the e6300 was out when when the newer one wasnt. the newer one is cheaper. Its not like they need to release patches for the 6300 or anything is it. you either buy a new chip or you pay more for an older, lesser spec for you.

How a company selling a better chip cheaper is conning you, i really do not know.

As for bragging rights, its the consumers choice wether they buy or not, intel are making cheap fast chips, and expensive really fast chips.
 
Intel do not introduce new CPU's to satisfy the enthusiast market, they are for mass market appeal to OEM's and system vendors like HP and Dell.

The new 6320 and 6420 are simple evolution in the CPU market, just as 100Mhz clock speed increase was in the days of the Pentium 3 etc. I think that many folk who did buy an early 6300 or 6400 may want/feel the need to upgrade to stay with latest kit, but to be honest adding 2MB cache is pointless, better off getting a E6600 which is faster and already has the 4MB cahce.
 
There are people rushing out to buy these new chips?

E6300 to E6320 is just a pointless upgrade. Waste of money.
 
rikky said:
With this stampede to upgrade from "older" core 2 duo chips to the new ones I can't help feeling that Intel might just have conned us a bit, I mean are they THAT good to justify replacing an e6300 with say an e6420??
Any benchmarks that I have seen do not really seem to justify it in my eyes, sure you might get double the amount of cache but in day to day computing is that going to make much if any of a difference.
I would be interested in anbody upgrading from old core 2 duo to the new chips on whether they feel the upgrade has been justified or whether in hindsight they would have been better sticking with what they had.
It just seems to me that the urge to have "bragging rights" and the most up to date rigs might not be all it is cracked up to be with these new chips.
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Who is forcing anyone to upgrade... are Intel stopping support for the older CPU's, or phasing them out completely? No, they're not. However what these new CPU's are doing is giving those who haven't yet upgraded to Core2 the chance to buy a better processor.

The only real viable upgrade for anyone who owns a high-clocking current E6300/E6400/E6600 is to the Q6600 @ £350.
 
They're doing it to refresh their product line to make C2D more appealing against AM2's recent price drops, not to force people who already have E6300/6400 to upgrade; no one in their right mind will upgrade from 6300/6400 to 6320/6420 just to "brag about" the extra 2Mb cache... :o

Get over it tbh...
 
Richdog said:
Who is forcing anyone to upgrade... are Intel stopping support for the older CPU's, or phasing them out completely? No, they're not. However what these new CPU's are doing is giving those who haven't yet upgraded to Core2 the chance to buy a better processor.

The only real viable upgrade for anyone who owns a high-clocking current E6300/E6400/E6600 is to the Q6600 @ £350.
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I'm going to upgrade my E6300 L2 allendale because it's a load of crap at overclocking and i'm getting the 6420 conroe which should overclock a lot better.
 
devablue said:
I'm going to upgrade my E6300 L2 allendale because it's a load of crap at overclocking and i'm getting the 6420 conroe which should overclock a lot better.
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If you have a crap clocker then its justified. I hereby sanction it, with the power invested in me by the state. :)
 
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How did you arrive at being conned?

Intels not holding anybodies grandmother hostage unless they go out and spend.

Bottom line is this is called progress, with a bit or marketing thrown in. The 6x20 CPUs give the punters a warm feeling as they not only cost the same or less but you also get something else thrown in for free, a larger cache.
 
Ok thanks for "some" of the feedback guys, will be interesting to see who comes forward on this thread saying they have upgraded from old to new and if they feel justified in doing so .... was the urge too much, that is basically the jist of the thread :rolleyes:
 
rikky said:
With this stampede to upgrade from "older" core 2 duo chips to the new ones
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stampede? I don't think so, not unless they overclock as well (or better) than the vanilla e6300/e6400.
NathanE said:
There are people rushing out to buy these new chips?

E6300 to E6320 is just a pointless upgrade. Waste of money.
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True true, but 'if' you can do it at no cost then there is no harm, I am still waiting for some 'results' to come in from the new chips.

Some people have many interests/hobbies, some don't and overclocking is their main interest. I think everyone has upgrade-itus when they are fairly new to the overclocking scene but I found personally after quite a few years you chill out a bit.
 
As far as I can gather from these forums barely anyone is upgrading from 6300/6400's to the new 4MB cache models. What is happening is lots of people who don't have C2D yet are now considering the move because they can get that much more for their money now.
 
I will be going from 6300 to 6420 at the end of the term. It's mainly the extra multiplier which is attracting me, though. The cache only appeals because of increased Folding@Home performance; otherwise it's useless.
 
Robbie G said:
No...

ceteris paribus the extra cache speeds up certain tasks as you well know.
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The cost to performance increase ratio is way way WAY too small to warrant the upgrade.
 
Its basically just an E6300 REV2. Thats the way to look at it. Its not as if they are marketing it as an E7200. Which you would expect to be another generation better.
 
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