Intel laying off a fith of its work force.

[locutus12]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/...stm?news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nol_storyid=5314906

so nice to see that even with core2 that they are feeling the pinch from AMD`s stolen server market share

 

[locutus12]

What, it's nice to know that people are losing their jobs, and if Intel go under (unlikely, I know) there will be no competition to keep AMD on thier toes?

Yep, really good news that.

BTW you have linked to an error page.

dont be daft, theres no question of intel going under, there far too big to flop over 1 bad year.

im not for killing off intel, quite the contrary, what i do want is a fairer playing field for all chip makers which is ultimatly far better for all pc users than the current status quo.

 

[locutus12]

I totally agree... competition creates innovation...

Stelly

indeed it does, and competition needs to be fair. Currently, we dont have this.

 

[locutus12]

It seems I may have misunderstood you then, your initial post gave the impression that you would be happy to see Intel collapse

not collapse... but "change" a little. ive never said i want intel to collapse despite my criticism of their unlawful tactics over the years. i fully recognise the benefit of having several companys in a single market competing against each other, but this is only beneficial when the playing ground is fair for all companys involved.

 

[locutus12]

How can you be happy that 20,000 jobs might be lost ?

im not, but i am happy intels profits were down 60% forcing them to evaluate their current possition, its also forced a board change and several top managers out of the company which could lead to different policys in the future.

 

[locutus12]

On the other hand there were probably job increases for AMD over the last couple of years.

there have been a lot in AMD`s server based field.

 

[locutus12]

this is all pre core duo ofcorse.

well they did mention core in the video report but stated it will be some time before core has any effect on profit margins.

How do we not have a fair competition at the moment, because one already has a bigger market share and is more trusted in the markets that matter....?

You asked me that same question in one of my threads a few weeks back, my answer is still the same. Intel has maintained its dominant position in the desktop sector by subsidising pc distributors to only use Intel CPU`s, its common knowledge that Intel has done this for years.

This is the single reason why AMD, a company who had a better, cheaper, more power efficient product for the last 3 years has seen no note worthy gains in its desktop market shares despite it having the better product for that period.

if Intel stops all discount and subsidisation schemes then the playing ground is instantly level, the smaller guys like AMD and even VIA can then compete and i will no longer have any issues at all with Intel.

 

[locutus12]

I laughed...

If only things were that simple... they're not. Yes Intel offers good discounts/incentives to bulk buyers. As do AMD, and as do all companies that want to stay in business.


The reason AMD are where they are is because of supply. A simple economic variable that they've barely been able to satisfy for as long as I can remember. In AMD its a constant battle between R+D and FABs of where money is directed. If money goes into R+D then, great, it keeps enthusiasts happy. But if money goes into FABs then it makes people like Dell happy(er) because of increased ability to supply.

now whos being simplistic... you forget to mention that part of the conditions for a company to be eligable for intels discounts which are far greater in number than AMD`s is the understanding that said company will not use a competitors CPU`s in their desktops, dell were one of the companys named that has been bullied over the years into accepting this arrangement from Intel, and with profit margins so tight on PC`s these days, if Dell losts its discounts from intel it could have been very bad for Dell.

as for supply, give AMD a market to compete in and they will find a way to fill it. "they dont have the capacity" isnt a good enough excuse for the near stagnent market share on the desktop side.

as for the rest of your post, i pretty much agree

 

[locutus12]

And don't try and claim AMD could fulfill demand on a level playing field, AMD don't even have the capacity at present to supply Dell if dell wanted exclusively AMD chips, even if they refused to supply anyone else.... They do NOT have the manufacturering capacity even to do that much more than they are doing now, hence why they are frantically building fabs in an effort to improve things. Their stagnant market share currently is a good thing for AMD, or possibly in place because of AMD, if the chips can't be made, they can't be supplied to the customer. Very few companies have 9nm fabs with spare capacity to lease to AMD either.

All this "It's the evil intel's fault, they gave subsidies" tends to get a little old, and ignores the real causes of the problem.

Exclusively ?? who said anything about AMD wanting that? a few dell lines with AMD cpu`s is all they need to build on but with intel making sure the big boys remain exclusive by using illegal discounts to force them into that possition, AMD will never be able to grow.

 

[locutus12]

sadly the discounts arn't illegal (anymore) and all companys sell their goods cheaper if you are buying more of them than the average joe

discounts for bulk buy have never been illegal, discounts with an obligation to ONLY buy from the company in question in order to qualify for those volume discounts is when that company has a dominant market possition.