Intel Xe HPG 448EU gaming performance

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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel...ench-trades-blows-w-the-nvidia-gtx-1650-1660/

As you can see, the Xe-High Performance Gaming graphics cards are going to be present in most segments of the gaming market, competing with the budget-oriented (and very popular) GeForce GTX 1650 at $150, while also tackling the higher-end offerings from both NVIDIA and AMD in the $400-500 range. In the case of the latter, it looks like the second-fastest DG2 card packing 448EUs at a frequency of 1.8GHz will be just shy of the RTX 3070. This implies that the top-end offering with 512 EUs should be able to trade blows with the GeForce RTX 3070 Ti and the Radeon RX 6800.

Its quite good, it gives me hope but to say HPG 512 will trade blows with the 3070TI / RX 6800 is a little optimistic.
512 EUs / 448 EUs = 1.142 (+14%)
The HPG 448 is 8% slower than the 6700XT which would make the HPG 512 6% faster than the 6700XT, the 6800 is 20% faster than the 6700XT, its more accurate to say the HPG 512 would trade blows with the 6700XT.
And there is nothing wrong with that, but it depends on price, the 6700XT is $480 MSRP and by the time this comes out both AMD and Nvidia will be looking to get the next generation out.

 

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I like it. I just might get it for ***** and giggles.
AMD CPU and Intel GPU. How things change heheh.

Definitely your next card bug.

Because there is no hope in hell you will be able to find the AMDs 6800 under £600.

RT performance is key for me.

Hey may be. i have a 2070 Super so i want something somewhat quicker than that and more than 8GB of VRam is an absolute must but you know what, if Intel do a GPU that falls in to where i like it and its the right price i'll buy it....

 

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So around RTX3060TI level performance??

3070 for the 512 EU one, probably a little more. its not a 3070TI tho

 

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3070 for the 512 EU one, probably a little more. its not a 3070TI tho

Scratch that, it might be, just, a 3070TI is not really a 3070TI

 

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Some of the Youtube channels have suggested that Intel will be launching these in laptops first, so even if they are announced in Jan. it might first be for laptops. Hopefully those scores might be in laptops as well and perform a bit better on desktop. Either way if the price is right the performance can bring some competition to the market

That makes sense, they are taking on Nvidia by the looks of it.

 

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Driver optimization you say? What is that? Certainly nothing Intel have ever heard off

Intel's driver motto is: we released, we fixed one or two actual crashes, that's it.

Well, it will take some heat off AMD's driver reputation.

 

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Most people will probably be buying around the 3070 / 6700XT level even if they have been demoted down the product stack due to newer GPU's getting released, a lot of people have been sitting out this generation due to pricing, if the price is good, but they do have to be cheaper than Nvidia and AMD equivalents, Intel just don't have the mindshare for GPU's and people may be concerned about their games working properly on them.

And the thing is if next year supply gets back to normal and AMD / Nvidia with new GPU's 3070 / 6700XT performance is now $350 Intel may have to do $300 or even as low as $250 to bring meaningful numbers on their side, which is chump change and there are probably no margins in that, especially at under $300.

 

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There are some rumours about die sizes which put the DG2-512 at around 400mm²

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1400095861116477440

What is the process again? TSMC 7nm or 6nm EUV?

In the thread about DG2-512 on here
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34975154/
A THG article was quoted saying it might even be on Intel's own 10nm process.

Anyway, if we went with 7nm and the once quoted by TSMC defect density of 0.09 (which has surely improved since then), then a fully functional 400mm² die would cost $103 / $154 (with 7nm wafer costs @ $10k / $15k).

I guess if they are willing to not make any profit for a while, they could sell those at $250 but it would be tight.

Don't know what process its on, but 400mm^2 is quite large, the 6700XT is only 335mm^2