Great to see intel still really pushing their tech. The true underdog
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Intel XeSS 1.3 accelerates into the next generation of AI upscaling
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Great to see intel still really pushing their tech. The true underdog
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Like that will happen. It will go from don't buy AMD for XYZ reasons to not buying Intel and AMD for XYZ reasons!
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To some maybe yes. But who cares about those people? All I want is better tech and better value for money.
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Unfortunately Intel entering the market is more of an AMD competitor for the low to mid range than a competitor for Nvidia at the high end.
Intel still need to do a lot of work on their drivers etc...
Intel still need to do a lot of work on their drivers etc...
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People keep saying that,but the excuse will be Intel won't beat the RTX5090 or RTX6090,etc. Or Nvidia DLSS10.3ABC is 3.9% better than XeSS 5.979,etc. Or Intel drivers sucked 3.25 years ago,etc. Intel like AMD needs sufficient volume to sustain it's consumer dGPU division. I have more probability of getting an Intel dGPU than many here because I buy cheaper GPUs!
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Given this is their first attempt at a dgpu, intel are killing it and arguably better than amd here, look at how long it takes amd to compete with nvidia, meanwhile look at intel.... they are already better at RT and upscaling and probably will be the same for their FG. AMD have been in this game for how long now?
People keep saying that,but the excuse will be Intel won't beat the RTX5090 or RTX6090,etc. Or Nvidia DLSS10.3ABC is 3.9% better than XeSS 5.979,etc. Or Intel drivers sucked 3.25 years ago,etc. Intel like AMD needs sufficient volume to sustain it's consumer dGPU division. I have more probability of getting an Intel dGPU than many here because I buy cheaper GPUs!
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The Arc A310/A380 at almost £100 are better than anything Nvidia or AMD have in this regard WRT to AV1 decode and media use. The A770/A750/A580 are competitive in performance and price in many markets.
Intel like AMD have their own CPU platform and sell more laptops and prebuilt desktops than AMD does,so can easily bundle their dGPUs too. In many markets AMD CPUs due to production limitations are not even the most represented in prebuilt systems. The Intel name is still trusted.
Yet they still lost sales share(latest JPR 2024 figures):
This is despite price cuts and Intel massively improving drivers and features. This has been covered by the tech press too.
AMD/ATI over the last 20 years have gotten close at the top end to Nvidia a few times. The RX6950XT was only two years ago. But people complained it wasn't enough for XYZ reasons. Many on here have said AMD's failure of not consistently beating Nvidia at the high end in performance and features,hampered their mindshare. So that means Intel will have to do the same. That is a tall order.
I have high hopes for Intel,because I like "cheap" dGPUs but I think it will be just AMD and Intel duking it out.
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The Arc A310/A380 at almost £100 are better than anything Nvidia or AMD have in this regard WRT to AV1 decode and media use. The A770/A750/A580 are competitive in performance and price in many markets.
Intel like AMD have their own CPU platform and sell more laptops and prebuilt desktops than AMD does,so can easily bundle their dGPUs too. In many markets AMD CPUs due to production limitations are not even the most represented in prebuilt systems. The Intel name is still trusted.
Yet they still lost sales share(latest JPR 2024 figures):
This is despite price cuts and Intel massively improving drivers and features. This has been covered by the tech press too.
AMD/ATI over the last 20 years have gotten close at the top end to Nvidia a few times. The RX6950XT was only two years ago. But people complained it wasn't enough for XYZ reasons. Many on here have said AMD's failure of not consistently beating Nvidia at the high end in performance and features,hampered their mindshare. So that means Intel will have to do the same. That is a tall order.
I have high hopes for Intel,because I like "cheap" dGPUs but I think it will be just AMD and Intel duking it out.
But my post was not suggesting Intel should beat Nvidia in every category etc. But if they can do better than AMD then that will be an improvement no? There will then be 3 in the game.
Right now I would not consider Intel as they in my opinion still need to catch up with drivers. For them to get to where I want them to be I am estimating 2 more gens at least. In other words when 6000 series Nvidia GPU's are out they may be there.
I am not sure why are bothered about what others will do. Are you not happy Intel are in the game and we should be cheering them on to get to a place where there is genuinely an extra choice?
I want to see price for performance improve. I am not happy with AMD because all they do lately is let Nvidia take the **** with pricing and undercut them by a stupid amount.
Makes me laugh that Nvidia come out with a card, some here slate it for the stupid pricing. AMD comes out with a similar card with less features and a measly price reducing and suddenly oh look, that is a decent or good card. Nah, that won't do. Give me real competition. $100 off a stupid price is still stupid.
Amd have fallen further than ever before in terms of competing imo. I never cared for nvidia before ampere as RTX/RT/DLSS 1 and physx weren't that good, or awful or simply not enough games with their tech. and amd priced their gpus back then far more competively (including great game bundle deals), now, they are lacking in so many areas and coming out in the same ballpark for pricing... I probably would have got a 6800xt at the time of release due to being on amd since the 3850 and liking them, dlss and rt wasn't that much of a factor at the time either but thankfully due to amd not selling to the uk for msrsp and stock being even worse than ampere, it meant I went with the cheaper 3080 and RT, DLSS and everything else as evidenced has ended up becoming neccasary/needed/wanted and also, because of nvidia sorting their dx 12/rebar performance somewhat as well as more powerful cpus, they are somewhat now beating their rdna 2 amd counterparts.
All in all, amd need to get the thumb out. Only way I would consider amd would be for the <4060 end and even then, that's a push given how poor FSR upscaling is which you will almost certainly be wanting to use unless you're happy to sacrifice other graphical settings.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-xess-1-3-released-with-revamped-upscaling-profiles
Does this mean that while the naming for the presets has remained the same the render resolution has changed? Sneaky.
Does this mean that while the naming for the presets has remained the same the render resolution has changed? Sneaky.
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They have improved their models etc. to deliver better IQ so yeah somewhat misleading in the sense, some of the performance improvements will be coming from the lower render res. but like nvidia with dlss and all the improvements from 2.5.1 to now 3.7, they can do this without compromising IQ
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I hope that's the case, testing will reveal all (I imagine HUB will do a video). XESS is pretty damned good in Cyberpunk so I hope to see more implementations like that.
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Pretty much done with desktops, just went a bit ott with legion pro 4080 as I hadn't upgraded in what seemed like eons, had a 4790k and a 1080ti.
An all Intel laptop should be interesting at least
An all Intel laptop should be interesting at least
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This looks promising.
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XESS looks good, to get the best out of it you Intel hardware as it can use the XMX extensions but regardless the new 1.3 version will help set up Battlemage for success.
Nvidia marketing are so good the even have unpaid volunteers (yes, I know the notoriously used to have paid focus group people, but more recently it seems that they get plenty doing that work for free)!People keep saying that,but the excuse will be Intel won't beat the RTX5090 or RTX6090,etc. Or Nvidia DLSS10.3ABC is 3.9% better than XeSS 5.979,etc. Or Intel drivers sucked 3.25 years ago,etc. Intel like AMD needs sufficient volume to sustain it's consumer dGPU division. I have more probability of getting an Intel dGPU than many here because I buy cheaper GPUs!
In my half-hearted (or certainly not actioned) attempt to upgrade to a card with enough VRAM to run Skyrim mods like Nolvus at 1440P (so forget borderline 12GB and go straight to 16GB), the 16GB Arc A770 keeps coming up at used prices it is over a £100 cheaper than a plain RX6800 but modded Skyrim on an Intel Arc just seems far too much like beta testing for me.
While we mocked the transistor/perf of Intel's Arc when it came out, the hardware for XeSS and AV1 and RT does take up space. How much and whether they got good value per transistor? That is a far harder question.
Can't really see much difference in the video but when I tested it in game, version 1.3 gets rid of the ghosting on the flying particles and makes it near enough DLSS level. FSR 2.2 is also near indistiguishable from XeSS 1.3 and DLSS but has ghosting on the water as shown in the video. I expect FSR 3.1 will get rid of this issue and will be a very good upscaler.
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We have now reached a point where all of the main upscalers will be (once FSR 3.1 is out) neck and neck for temporal stability and specular anti-aliasing. There really is no debate any more, upscaling is the baseline and most efficient way to get very high quality rendering either the same as native, or better, and with MS adding upscaling into DirectX now, all upscaling will be available to all GPUs depending on what they support.
The native diehards will have a tough choice to make, either swallow the truth pills and get onboard, or continue to suffer worse framerates and not actually gain any visual improvements.
The native diehards will have a tough choice to make, either swallow the truth pills and get onboard, or continue to suffer worse framerates and not actually gain any visual improvements.