Intel's future socket compatibility?

[Perfect_Chaos]

Anyone recon LGA1700 will work with Meteor Lake or do you think they'll do the usual and only let 1-2 CPUs be compatible, in other words Alder Lake then Raptor Lake. Then require a new motherboard for the supposed big leap with Meteor Lake (Ocean Cove) ?

 

[Game]

Anyone recon LGA1700 will work with Meteor Lake or do you think they'll do the usual and only let 1-2 CPUs be compatible, in other words Alder Lake then Raptor Lake. Then require a new motherboard for the supposed big leap with Meteor Lake (Ocean Cove) ?

most people don't upgrade for 3-5 years after building a system and even if the socket is the same the Chipsets very rarely support new processors

The who future proof idea is a myth

 

[4K8KW10]

Anyone recon LGA1700 will work with Meteor Lake or do you think they'll do the usual and only let 1-2 CPUs be compatible, in other words Alder Lake then Raptor Lake. Then require a new motherboard for the supposed big leap with Meteor Lake (Ocean Cove) ?

It should:


Intel Alder Lake CPU Rumored To Feature Up To 20% Increase in IPC, Announcement in September 2021 (wccftech.com)

The who future proof idea is a myth

What is the upgrade path from a 4-core Ryzen to a 16-core Ryzen on the same AM4 platform?

It is definitely not a myth, you are wrong.

 

[Aretak]

I think it unlikely that Intel will change their habits. Ryzen hasn't forced them to so far, despite the strong competition and weakness of Intel's own offerings, so I doubt that will change. Even retaining the same socket is no guarantee of anything, as we found out with the Z270 -> Z370 switch. They can simply lock out old boards by not releasing microcode updates for them. In any case, it seems like a silly thing to worry about. Who knows what the CPU landscape will look like in 2023, or if Intel will even end up shipping Meteor Lake in 2023 for that matter, with the amount of delays they've suffered in recent years and the dreadful state of semiconductor manufacturing right now. It could be pushed out years, filler architectures (like Rocket Lake) could be added to the roadmap, sockets may change. Trying to base a purchasing decision on theoretical compatibility with a theoretical product seems like a bad way to choose.

 

[Grim5]

As far as we know 12th and 13th gen use LGA1700. However I doubt Intel will let you use them all on the same chipset, that's not their style

 

[KompuKare]

I think it unlikely that Intel will change their habits. Ryzen hasn't forced them to so far, despite the strong competition and weakness of Intel's own offerings, so I doubt that will change.

Yes, if Intel ever DO change their socket shortevity and planned motherboard obsolescence, it will be like hell freezing over. Well, almost.

 

[Journey]

LGA 1151, 6th-9th Gen. I'd love to drop in a 9700K on the Z170, the share holders would be up in arms if they let that happen though. So LGA 1700 socket could last 4 Gen's doesn't mean the CPU's will work in an older board.

Actually lets be fair, given the complete lack of progress Intel Made form 2011 to 2017 they could have keep the LGA 1155, after all a 7700K was just a slightly faster 2600K.

 

[Grim5]

Intel have also mentioned they've moving back to Tick-Tock starting with 14th gen (meteor lake), Tick-Tock also means the mobo can be used for 2 generations only.

I believe Intel is already doing it's tick-tock cycle for motherboard. Because Z490 can use 10900k and 11900k that's the full cycle complete. 12th gen and 13th gen will use their own chipset and need a new motherboard with DDR5 support and then 14th gen again a new motherboard. THis makes logical sense anyway, 12th and 13th gen are both 10nm CPU's and use DDR5, so needing a new motherboard is guaranteed

 

[Destination]

Anyone recon LGA1700 will work with Meteor Lake or do you think they'll do the usual and only let 1-2 CPUs be compatible, in other words Alder Lake then Raptor Lake. Then require a new motherboard for the supposed big leap with Meteor Lake (Ocean Cove) ?

Might be initial launch will be ddr4, with ddr5 with later launches so the chips sets will likely be incompatible even if on the same socket.

 

[KompuKare]

Intel have also mentioned they've moving back to Tick-Tock starting with 14th gen (meteor lake), Tick-Tock also means the mobo can be used for 2 generations only.

I believe Intel is already doing it's tick-tock cycle for motherboard. Because Z490 can use 10900k and 11900k that's the full cycle complete. 12th gen and 13th gen will use their own chipset and need a new motherboard with DDR5 support and then 14th gen again a new motherboard. THis makes logical sense anyway, 12th and 13th gen are both 10nm CPU's and use DDR5, so needing a new motherboard is guaranteed

Yes, but what about 14th gen. Surely that will be DDR5 as well so the socket changes make little sense.
However, AMD's AM4 socket came into a different market where they had trouble getting OEMs to make mobos for them. Whereas while we know Intel loves to sell chipset, mobo OEMs love it too as it allows them to sell new stuff. Although some normal retail PC OEMs might like it less as it makes inventory management harder for them.
OEM relationships are tricky. Doubt any like Intel leaning on them with chip allocations shenanigans and similar, but OEMs do like the annual upgrade cycles. Still fairly convinced that some of AM4 controversies around support for PCIe 4.0 and later Zen3 had, at least partially, something to do with OEM lobbying so it was nice of AMD to tack all the slack

 

[Grim5]

Yes, but what about 14th gen. Surely that will be DDR5 as well so the socket changes make little sense.
However, AMD's AM4 socket came into a different market where they had trouble getting OEMs to make mobos for them. Whereas while we know Intel loves to sell chipset, mobo OEMs love it too as it allows them to sell new stuff. Although some normal retail PC OEMs might like it less as it makes inventory management harder for them.
OEM relationships are tricky. Doubt any like Intel leaning on them with chip allocations shenanigans and similar, but OEMs do like the annual upgrade cycles. Still fairly convinced that some of AM4 controversies around support for PCIe 4.0 and later Zen3 had, at least partially, something to do with OEM lobbying so it was nice of AMD to tack all the slack

14th gen drops down to 7nm and most likely has pcie5. But regardless it's Intel

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Probably best to see what brings a good uplift first then.

Had an order in for a 5600x but changed it to the 5800x now since I saw it at a more decent price. May as well since it'll just be an easy swap from my 3700x.

Still be interested to see what Alder Lake is like but I really doubt it's going to be enough to make me want to upgrade everything. I'll probably just wait and see what Meteor Lake is like at the time. Plus it gives a couple of years for more mature DDR5.

 

[LePhuronn]

I'd love to drop in a 9700K on the Z170

BIOS mods are available to drop the 8700K and 9700K into Z170 and Z270. HT on the 9900K likely won't ever come because of an 12 thread hard limit it seems. I'm toying with the idea of dropping a 9700K into my Maximus VIII Impact.

Check out win-raid.com for loooooooads of stuff on getting Coffee Lake onto older chipsets.


As for this thread, I seriously doubt Meteor Lake will drop into Alder Lake/Raptor Lake boards for the simple reason the move to 7nm can be exploited as pure marketing and sales: the latest process from Intel requires the latest technologies.

But since Meteor Lake is also LGA 1700, it's entirely possible the same sort of BIOS modding and CPU pad isolating that's happening with Coffee Lake will happen again.