International Men's Day!

[GGizmo]

November 19th is In Men's Day!

Happy International Men’s Day 2023!

Happy International Men’s Day in the UK. Come and Join In!

ukmensday.org.uk

Andy's Man Club | #ITSOKAYTOTALK

ANDYSMANCLUB are a men’s suicide prevention charity, offering free-to-attend peer-to-peer support groups across the United Kingdom and online.

andysmanclub.co.uk

Stay strong brothers! If you are struggling then seek out some help. There is no shame in that. We all have emotional set backs in life. It is how we come through adversity that is the test of man.

 

[GGizmo]

What I've realised is that men are typically terrible at looking after each other, the people I've spoke the most with about any personal issues are always women. If a woman goes through anything difficult in life, their friends will typically reach out to them, most women have a great support network around them, where as men are just left to get on with it. I'm not surprised so many kill themselves.

I love women. But women have never been in a situation of being invisible to the world like many men suffer to varying degrees (women usually have the opposite problem).

In my relationships they have always adversarial to some degree. I think that is natural. So relationships generally are an emotional roller coaster, which isn't good when something serious comes up. I think that is why a lot of guys end up preferring not to bring those subjects up.

Whereas if you have male friends then you all have lived a similar experience in early life, and generally male friends will sit and listen. There is no judgement (apart from banter!).

The stakes are generally not high when talking to male friends. Sometimes just sounding out your thoughts and maybe getting feedback is always a good thing.

 

[GGizmo]

lol 6 posts in and it becomes an incel anti-women thread. GG GD.

When have you seen women ask men for advice on how to be a good woman? The answer is never.

I'm assuming you're male. If so it's poor form on your part to be trashing men on an international mens day thread.

 

[GGizmo]

more women attempt suicide than men.

The differences in suicide rate have a lot less to do with actual mental health issue incident rates but methods.


How many people have committed suicide due to homophobic or transphobic bigits?

Where have you got the stats to show more women attempt suicide than men?

Because all the stats show men lead in suicides by miles.

Latest suicide data

We share the latest suicide data for nations across the UK and Ireland in our Suicide Statistics factsheets.

www.samaritans.org

England

The male suicide rate was 15.8 per 100,000**, compared to a female suicide rate of 5.5 per 100,000**.

Wales

The male suicide rate was 19.7 per 100,000** compared to the female suicide rate of 5.9 per 100,000**.

Scotland

Males remain almost 3 times as likely to die by suicide than females.

Northern Ireland

The male suicide rate was 19.6 per 100,000** compared to the female suicide rate of 7.1 per 100,000**.

Republic of Ireland

The male suicide rate was 14.2 per 100,000*, compared to the female suicide rate of 5.2 per 100,000*.

Suicide rate in England & Wales by gender 2000-2022 | Statista

The annual suicide rate in England and Wales is around three times higher among men compared to women.

www.statista.com

 

[GGizmo]

you are looking at deaths by suicide, not suicide attempts. Men in the UK tend to jump off buildings and bridges, women overdose or slit their wrist but they don't effectively overdose or are found and are rescued. There are other reasons as well and the differences are well studied


The point is, there is no specific acute suicide risk for men related to differences in mental health or access to care.

I hear you.

I'm just abit puzzled as to why on a men's thread you feel the need to bring women in to the conversation.

If we had a women's day thread and posts were made about their struggles would you post male stats saying the women don't have it so bad?

I'm not having a go. I'm just puzzled by this reaction, that we also saw on the bbc, that as soon as men are talked about it's immediately belittled and swept aside.

Is it that some men feel embarrassed to have the spotlight on us and immediately default to talking about women?

 

[GGizmo]

Lol what?!?! Didn't you give me grief for making the same comment?

Edit: LOL you were the person I commented about.

I don't know.

I only saw your laughing emoji, and then talking about incels.

Both inappropriate on the thread.

 

[GGizmo]

Because some people are incorrectly drawing conclusions from different rates of death by suicide. You should rather ask the poster who first raised suicide before making a transphobic remark - something which is known to cause mental health issues that can lead to suicide.

Nothing I've written as anything to do with transphobia.

I'm not angry with you because you are sadly part of the problem. Your attitude (and dlockers) will harm yourselves before it'll harm me or others.

We're on a thread talking about mens mental health, yet you're trying to derail it talking about women. It comes across like you need affirmation from a woman to justify yourself.

Seek help.

 

[GGizmo]

if this wasn't such a serious subject this would be a hilariously bad take on the discourse , which from all your other hilariously wrong takes in pretty much ever thread should vole as no surprise.

A mark of insecurity is when you start throwing around personal insults. I've been very restrained with you.

The problem is people like you not wanting to treat the causes but throw around misleading figures without understanding because it suits your agenda.

How are my figures misleading? We were talking about suicide figures and I posted the Samaritans official figures, plus another site showing graphics. How can that be misleading!?

No one is trying to derail the thread, stop trying to shutdown the debate

You've tried to derail the thread twice by talking about attempted suicides to reduce the ratio. Then for whatever reason start saying I'm transphobic.

You are totally in the wrong in your approach to this thread. Stop digging.