Internet Atheism

LOAM · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:36

jahujames said:
You sound like an incredibly petty, weak and vindictive person. All admirable traits/qualities of the person who's currently championing Christianity (religion) in this thread.

Its a troll account for certain. He certainly inst representative of the group of people he claims to be part of. His (if indeed it is a he) sole intention is to get people's back up by pretending to be a fundamentalist Christian. How have you not seen that yet?

Craig R · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:38

SiD the Turtle said:
Flame suit engage!

Anyone else noticed that if you're the slightest bit religious on the Internet you're branded as a backward yokel?

This isn't just about OcUK but here here's a good example: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18483435

Now I'm not religious and believe in evolution, but accept that some people don't and think that god may have created everything a few thousand years ago and did it so well as to fool science to this day. Why does the Internet have such a problem with people who have a non-standard opinion on religion?

Note: this isn't a debate about which viewpoint is right on the subject of evolution, but whether the Internet is unfairly rude to those who disagree.

Confused as to why you think that people suddenly stop having this opinion when they are not using the internet.

CREATIVE!11 · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:39

Also jason2 is trolling...

You noobs need to be around on this internet block a few more years to be able to see through it.

jahujames · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:39

LOAM said:
Its a troll account for certain. He certainly inst representative of the group of people he claims to be part of. His (if indeed it is a he) sole intention is to get people's back up by pretending to be a fundamentalist Christian. How have you not seen that yet?

Poe's Law is coming into play quite hard right now. I started to get my suspicions a page or two back, but the discussion is still relevant and the OP raised a question worth discussing.

As I said, even if he is trolling... people like that still exist within the world, haha.

Jason2 · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:40

All I can say is read the bible and then look around you. Everything predicted would happen is happening. Just look at how much moral boundaries are pushed every year. The whole world is heading straight to hell.

jahujames · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:41

Jason2 said:
All I can say is read the bible and then look around you. Everything predicted would happen is happening. Just look at how much moral boundaries are pushed every year. The whole world is heading straight to hell.

See you there? xx

Zatoichi.uK · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:42

If there's a God, why did he make me an atheist?

LOAM · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:42

jahujames said:
Poe's Law is coming into play quite hard right now. I started to get my suspicions a page or two back, but the discussion is still relevant and the OP raised a question worth discussing.

As I said, even if he is trolling... people like that still exist within the world, haha.

Well perhaps. I would say that it was worth discussion once over or maybe just once but it gets done at least once a week and degenerates fast.

LOAM · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:43

Zatoichi.uK said:
If there's a God, why did he make me an atheist?

The answer is he (if he exists) gave you free will to choose.

shoes · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:46

Jason2 said:
All I can say is read the bible and then look around you. Everything predicted would happen is happening. Just look at how much moral boundaries are pushed every year. The whole world is heading straight to hell.

Specific examples please

Inquizitor · 29 Jan 2013 at 16:56

Jason2 said:
All I can say is read the bible and then look around you. Everything predicted would happen is happening. Just look at how much moral boundaries are pushed every year. The whole world is heading straight to hell.

Utter, utter bull.

Zatoichi.uK · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:04

LOAM said:
The answer is he (if he exists) gave you free will to choose.

But according to Christianity I'll be sent to hell for non belief. Free will is therefore pointless.

d_brennen · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:06

Zatoichi.uK said:
But according to Christianity I'll be sent to hell for non belief. Free will is therefore pointless.

Shush, no room for logic or reason here

Craterloads · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:08

Again as I suggested, it's either an Atheists way or no way. There's no room for others opinions to exist side by side within atheism, very unaccepting.

Always discussions like this the end with a bunch of people ganging up and attacking someone because their opinion is different.

The hypocracy is staggering.

Jason2 · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:08

Zatoichi.uK said:
But according to Christianity I'll be sent to hell for non belief. Free will is therefore pointless.

How exactly? If you have the ability to accept or reject God then that is free will. I have the free will to go out tonight and commit a crime, yet I know I will pay the price for whatever crime I was to commit. This doesn't mean I don't have free will.

estebanrey · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:10

Craterloads said:
Again as I suggested, it's either an Atheists way or no way. There's no room for others opinions to exist side by side within atheism, very unaccepting.

What are you on about. Are you confusing "refusing to covert your religion" with closed mindedness?

Atheism is simply a matter of God's existence, it doesn't even have anything to do with religion as a whole and god either exists or he doesn't, so by definition an atheist and a theist can't reach a consensus.

LOAM · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:13

Zatoichi.uK said:
But according to Christianity I'll be sent to hell for non belief. Free will is therefore pointless.

Pointless or not, its still your will. If you dont believe then what does it matter what Christianity says?

Zatoichi.uK · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:14

Jason2 said:
How exactly? If you have the ability to accept or reject God then that is free will. I have the free will to go out tonight and commit a crime, yet I know I will pay the price for whatever crime I was to commit. This doesn't mean I don't have free will.

But what is the use in free will being granted by a God if my decision ends up with me in hell for eternity?

When you say you will be punished for a crime, do you mean my the law? According to your belief system you can escape any form of punishment for even the most heinous of crimes through confession, at least by your God.

Craterloads · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:14

estebanrey said:
What are you on about. Are you confusing "refusing to covert your religion" with closed mindedness?

Please do tell me where i have suggested this? Thats quite simply as i discussed before a perception felt by Athiests because of thier own personal short comings with what ever that may be.

Atheism is simply a matter of God's existence, it doesn't even have anything to do with religion as a whole and god either exists or he doesn't, so by definition an atheist and a theist can't reach a consensus.

It's not about reaching a consensus, its about simply co-existing, which quite frankly there is no scope within Athiesm.

Jason2 · 29 Jan 2013 at 17:17

Zatoichi.uK said:
But what is the use in free will being granted by a God if my decision ends up with me in hell for eternity?

When you say you will be punished for a crime, do you mean my the law? According to your belief system you can escape any form of punishment for even the most heinous of crimes through confession, at least by your God.

Read on and you will find that Jesus himself said that even many who profess him to be Lord will not be entering heaven. If a man is sincere in his repentance he can be forgiven due to the sacrifice of Jesus, but no where have I ever said simple belief in Jesus gets you to heaven.

God knows the heart of men. If someone goes out and commits a crime and says "well God will just forgive me", then he won't be heading to heaven. God aint no fool.