Internet Explorer

Freakish_05 · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:15

Hi all,

Was just wondering how many people have given up trying to code for this heap of carp that microsoft calls a Web Browser.

I would have expected a more standards compliant application from a market leading company. They have windows update there to supposedly 'update' their software....why not take some initiative and update your browser when new standards are released? :rolleyes:

I've got a thought lingering in the back of my mind to have a popup generated whenever someone views any of my sites in I.E. to the effect of "Your browser is not standards compliant and will not display this page correctly. Please download one of the following.....".

What I can't understand is that I.E. is the most widely used browser. No doubt because it comes shipped with windows.

End Rant.
Discuss.
Freakish_05

Draeger · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:22

I agree, but we dont have many options.

As web designers/publishers, we need to cater for the masses, most folks use IE, not everyone ( sadly ) is switched on to using FireFox.

Its a PITA, I agree. But I dont see any solutions to it at this point.

No idea what the answer is, but I will be all ears as to what others have to say about it. :cool:

meghatronic · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:26

I prefer IE actually. Very closely followed by Opera. Just to play devil's advocate.

Inquisitor · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:26

OP, have you tried IE7?

Jaffa_Cake · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:36

IE7 always seems to hang for me. Its still quick but FF is faster imo.

Vulcan · 8 Jul 2007 at 22:51

IE7 is fine, I think the OP is referring to <=IE6, which has had very little, or even no css/html rendering upgrades since it's first release, hence it's poor reputation with devs.

meghatronic · 8 Jul 2007 at 23:01

Longbow said:
IE7 is fine, I think the OP is referring to <=IE6, which has had very little, or even no css/html rendering upgrades since it's first release, hence it's poor reputation with devs.

Oh God yes, <=IE6 is awful.

blade007 · 8 Jul 2007 at 23:42

what's wrong with IE6 then ?

stacks of people still use it

Vulcan · 8 Jul 2007 at 23:45

blade007 said:
what's wrong with IE6 then ?

stacks of people still use it

Longbow said:
... which has had very little, or even no css/html rendering upgrades since it's first release, hence it's poor reputation with devs.

When you make a website that's fine in FF, loaded into IE6 it is often screwed up or lacking in features.

kkthxbye · 8 Jul 2007 at 23:48

Just gone back to FF from IE7 after a year or so, and FF is loads faster for me.

tsinc80697 · 8 Jul 2007 at 23:53

IE6 and before is a pain in the arse to code for, but if you just reset padding and margins globally in your CSS file it sorts a lot of problems out and if you keep consistent with either using padding or margins it always helps

Tripnologist · 9 Jul 2007 at 18:10

tsinc80697 said:
IE6 and before is a pain in the arse to code for, but if you just reset padding and margins globally in your CSS file it sorts a lot of problems out and if you keep consistent with either using padding or margins it always helps

And be sure to keep it out of quirks mode.

I find there are only a handful of bugs that frequently appear in IE and most are really easy to get around once you know how.

Bry · 9 Jul 2007 at 18:19

having just finished coding a new website using firefox and ie7 i was quite happy with myself. I got my friend to test it and see if he could find any problems and well the site looked awful, everything was out of place. needless to say ie6 was to blame.
Luckily i managed to find a standalone version of ie6 and was able to fix the layout issues in a few minutes (damm the quicks of ie6.

As a web developer ie6 is annoying as hell and shouldnt exist. But yes, it is still widely used even though there are better Internet browsers out there But, then again some people still use windows 98 and ME

meghatronic · 9 Jul 2007 at 18:48

Bry said:
having just finished coding a new website using firefox and ie7 i was quite happy with myself. I got my friend to test it and see if he could find any problems and well the site looked awful, everything was out of place. needless to say ie6 was to blame.
Luckily i managed to find a standalone version of ie6 and was able to fix the layout issues in a few minutes (damm the quicks of ie6.

As a web developer ie6 is annoying as hell and shouldnt exist. But yes, it is still widely used even though there are better Internet browsers out there But, then again some people still use windows 98 and ME

I had the exact same problem. :mad:

psyr33n · 9 Jul 2007 at 19:24

The more you code cross-platform layouts, the easier it becomes. Rarely these days do I find myself pulling my hair out, even when slicing intricate layouts for others. Yeah, it's annoying, but you get used to it.

Tripnologist · 10 Jul 2007 at 00:03

psyr33n said:
The more you code cross-platform layouts, the easier it becomes. Rarely these days do I find myself pulling my hair out, even when slicing intricate layouts for others. Yeah, it's annoying, but you get used to it.

Very true. It gets so much easier after doing a bunch of layouts. (in my case, hundreds.) When I first started, I'd spend hours fixing IE problems. These days, I rarely run into any problems at all. You just learn how to avoid the bugs and if it's not avoidable, fix it without even thinking about it. (such as having a right margin on a div floated right - you just know to add a * html to display inline.)

meghatronic · 10 Jul 2007 at 00:12

psyr33n said:
The more you code cross-platform layouts, the easier it becomes. Rarely these days do I find myself pulling my hair out, even when slicing intricate layouts for others. Yeah, it's annoying, but you get used to it.

"clear:both" usually sorts everything

Clarkey · 10 Jul 2007 at 02:03

Never had an issue with IE7, the world will be a better place when IE6 is completely resigned to the history books. 7 has a horrendous UI but hey thats not my concern.