Is 1900 X 1200 DirectX 10 realistic???

AndyWillco · 25 Jun 2007 at 14:43

Is 1920 X 1200 DirectX 10 realistic???

I am just about to start building a gaming sytem around a 1920 x 1200 monitor and a Nvidia 8800 Ultra card.

My concern is that recent DX 10 benchmarks (The Call of Juarez) suggest that even the Ultra struggles at this resolution.

I really want to stick with a single card solution, so the big question is, do I wait till Christmas when/if the G92 arrives? or go for the Ultra now.

Comments welcome...

helmutcheese · 25 Jun 2007 at 14:45

Hard to tell, the benches or demos that have DX10 are very buggy (Lost Planet), I doubt a Ultra wont play it well but not sure how high a res.

Crowze · 25 Jun 2007 at 14:52

Do you have something you can use in the meantime? If so you're best of waiting until the real DX10 games start coming out along with their benchmarks, by which time I imagine the next wave of nVidia cards will be out as well which should at least push the price down on current cards.

AndyWillco · 25 Jun 2007 at 14:59

Yeah, that's the trouble, my current sytem is terrible.

AGP 6600 128mb @ 1280x1024= It really stuggles with pretty much anything.

Hence my obvious impatience. I'm tempted to get a cheapo PCIe card for the new system and see what happens at Crimbo.

What's the cheapest reasonable spec card for DX9 @ 1920x1200?

snowdog · 25 Jun 2007 at 15:18

AndyWillco said:
Yeah, that's the trouble, my current sytem is terrible.

AGP 6600 128mb @ 1280x1024= It really stuggles with pretty much anything.

Hence my obvious impatience. I'm tempted to get a cheapo PCIe card for the new system and see what happens at Crimbo.

What's the cheapest reasonable spec card for DX9 @ 1920x1200?

Lowrange : 7600GT
Midrange: 1950 pro
High ish- 8800GTS
Very high range: GTX ( or ultra, but imo its a waste of €€€&$$$ )

jaykay · 25 Jun 2007 at 15:20

For 1900x1200 i would go for the 1950xt.

LoadsaMoney · 25 Jun 2007 at 15:44

I can't see it, just look at the crap Dx10 performance were getting now, i can't see the likes of Crysis etc... running much better tbh, but everyone is saying the reason why COJ, Lot planet etc... run like crap in Dx10 is because ATi/Nvidia are not bothering with Dx10 performance until those proper games start appearing, but i can't see them dropping miracle drivers that will increase Dx10 performance ten-fold when those games turn up.

Id await and see what the Dx10 performance is like first in those games when they come out as they will still run in Dx9, so i think we'll be getting the same crap Dx10 performance because of that, its not gona matter to them if when running in Dx10 were getting about 30-40fps when we can happily be getting 60+ or whatever in the same games under Dx9 still, as long as they run in Dx10 is all that will matter.

Lanz · 25 Jun 2007 at 15:58

Whatever you decided to do, dont buy the Ultra. As by the time any proper DX10 games come out, there will be something that beats the Ultra for probably £200ish.

gizmoy2k · 25 Jun 2007 at 16:30

Lanz said:
Whatever you decided to do, dont buy the Ultra. As by the time any proper DX10 games come out, there will be something that beats the Ultra for probably £200ish.

Doubt it, especially with the current lack of competition from ATi. Nvidia can make anything they release in the high-end any price they want,

queamin · 25 Jun 2007 at 17:21

Doubt it, especially with the current lack of competition from ATi. Nvidia can make anything they release in the high-end any price they want,

But they cannot stand still if they don't bother get sloppy with next wave of cards then they can be left behind.
Just because they won this round they willnot stand still.
Look at the 320 to older gen cards and that was about £200 when released,if the G92 is twice as fast as the gtx the cut down version will be about 50 to 70% of that depends on price a you might get 2 like the 320/640 and the gtx version the fastest.

AndyWillco · 25 Jun 2007 at 17:30

Looks like i'll go for the 1950 pro then, thanks for the advice.

Picking up on the subject of unoptimised drivers...

DX10 Games are the "killer app" these high end cards need to justify their existence. I'll find it amazing if they haven't got these drivers pretty much sorted out by now, they did build the cards afterall!!

LoadsaMoney · 25 Jun 2007 at 17:44

Yeah the x1950pro will last till Dx10 games start appearing, by that time Nvidia's G92's will be here as well, as they are supposedly coming October/November.

Nvidia will not sit around and just do nothing card wise because they have zero competiton for their GTX/Ultra.

chaparral · 25 Jun 2007 at 18:08

AndyWillco said:
I'll find it amazing if they haven't got these drivers pretty much sorted out by now, they did build the cards afterall!!

But Nvidia/ATI didn't built Vista

For 1920x1200 res gaming you need really need a overclocked 8800gts min with only a single card setup...

My last card was a x1900xt-x and this was not fast enough for 1920x1200 gaming on my dell 24" monitor..

Unless you don't mind running your games with low detail settings..
which i don't see the point in splashing out hundreds of pounds on a system and 24" monitor to play at low detail settings...

psychas · 25 Jun 2007 at 18:16

was fps ok and woot settings was the games ? :eek:

Bald-Eagle22 · 26 Jun 2007 at 03:13

I have a 24 inch dell and have played at 1900x1200 with three different cards.
I still game in DX9 as I am a total BF2 freak but I do have a dual boot Visat 64Bit

7900GTX . managed to max everything out on most , Oblivion struggled and so did COH

7950GX2 , not to much of an improvement but i had a consatnt 75FPS in BF2 with everything maxed out .

8800GTX , BF2 never drops below 90FPS with evrything maxed out and i dont feel it even breaks a sweat . Playing in Vista I get a only around 50FPS and it stutter all over the place at times . I cant play BF2 in Vista at the moment at this resolution .

8800GTX DX10 Vista , COH eveything maxed out 45 FPS , very playable no slow down and looks very very sexy .

I have read a few threads and cant see my 8800GTX running Crysis at anything like playable FPS at 1900x1200when it arrives unless driver support improves ten fold . By that time hopefully Nvidia will have a better card ?

Nebzor · 26 Jun 2007 at 03:40

I'd agree with the majority of the above posters and get a DX9 card for now, and wait til we see if the 8800s can cut the mustard in the real DX10 games. You'll probably get something the same/better for cheaper later on, anyway.

I personally went for a 7950GT and overclocked it. It urinates on anything I can currently throw at it, although I'm only at 1280x1024. I also dislike ATI-based cards, so maybe you'll find the X1950XT for a tad more ££ a little bit more interesting.

Margaret · 26 Jun 2007 at 03:57

I'm just waiting for DX10 games myself, my 7900GTO runs my games great at 1440x900 with some AA/AF and High settings, can't really complain certainly not worthy me upgrading.

AndyWillco · 26 Jun 2007 at 18:03

So the plan now is...

8800 GTS (or 1950XTX) for gaming on either my 19" or 24" depending on performance, and see what happens with DX10 in 8 months or so.

I am assuming(???) that either card can run a dual screen set up for non-gaming windows (vista) work. Is it easy to move between configs on vista (i don't have it yet!).

Apologies if I am drifting off topic.

BlairH · 26 Jun 2007 at 19:15

For some reason, when I enable DX10 in Company of Heroes, some of the post-processing effects dissapear, so it looks WORSE than DX9.

I'm guessing it's just the current state of the Vista Nvidia drivers.

Jono8 · 26 Jun 2007 at 19:23

i think there must be a lot of fixes on there way for vista and directx10. Just look at the vista performance in directx9 games compared with the xp performance. Its appaling and its not like the hardware is getting worse. Microsoft and ati/nvidia simply need to work on the software. If they can get directx9 in vista back to xp performance i don't see why they can't improve directx10 (which is still in its infancy with no dedicated directx10 games, only patches) performance by a large margin.

Crysis is due in september and i doubt we will see any new cards by then (i'm thinking late october/november) and the developers of crysis have allready said that its been running maxed out at 1900x1200 at playable frames on an 8800gtx.