Is Bose stuff really THAT bad?

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I see it getting a hammering pretty much everywhere and being no audio expert who am I to pass judgement :p However I was in a trendy wine bar the other night and they had what I believe to be the Bose 203 from a quick google with some concealed subs (presumably also Bose)

Being perfectly honest they sounded great and I was sober at the time. The bar was playing some of that trendy jazz stuff which is all the rage and you could hear the brass and the bongo's really clearly with exceptionally punchy bass. We left that bar and went to another one which had a JBL system which sounded a world apart from the Bose setup. I appreciate there are a huge amount of factors which could come into the equation considering it was in 2 seperate venues but are Bose really that bad or they actually not that bad, just overpriced?
 
Bose are good, there just not value for money.

This really. Personally I never trust speaker products which never list the RMS values, or even worse just PMPO's which are useless.

Due to that, its very hard to tell where the BOSE stuff actually fits in terms of performance vs price and you end up going on just price alone to compare it with other brands.

The ipod and PC/mobile audio stuff is generally quite good for the size (due to quality neodynium drivers), yet logitechs top end Z series are better with vastly better bass on them.

The surround kits etc for TV's are insanely expensive though for BOSE and I'd never justify the prices they charge for those particularly compared to other brands and separates.
 
they are nice for satellites for home cinema, but seriously deficient compared to full sized speakers as all satellites are. another problem is they are not good for music. also as others mentioned there is better value for money,
 
they are not that bad TBH.

for a one box solution plug and play simplicity they are very good. BUT EXPENSIVE!

but if you have a little interest in hifi, cinema etc. then better systems can be had with a much smaller pocket raping.
 
This really. Personally I never trust speaker products which never list the RMS values, or even worse just PMPO's which are useless.


don't bother looking at wattage ratings full stop.

get out to some places and have a listen. set a budget take some films CD's etc. and have a listen. 50W/per channel of clean power is MORE than enough for my lounge but that is 50W of very clean controlled power.
 
I just got the bose companion 3 series and they are great. I sold all my av surround equipment, denon amp etc , and find these just as good. Whilst not surround sound the clarity is great.
 
I just got the bose companion 3 series and they are great. I sold all my av surround equipment, denon amp etc , and find these just as good. Whilst not surround sound the clarity is great.

Their strength lies in their portability/ abscence of clutter. For what they are, they are remarkable little speakers and very punchy. I think if you pay under £300 you have done very well: moreso if they are for a PC since you don't have to spend £100 on a soundcard (or any soundcard) which evens out the cost.
 
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Bose is alright for background music or where there's a lot of competing noise: In car, bar/restaurant, pub/club etc. This is because they boost the low bass and high treble portions of the frequency range. It's just like using the loudness button on a Hi-Fi.

The treble boost in particular is what people would associate with a "clear" sound. It's that quality of cutting through the rest of the noise to be noticed. However, the top end frequencies they boost are well above the fundamental range of most instruments and voices. They're boosting the harmonics instead. That's why those of us who listen to music find something lacking in the Bose sound. It's like comparing the flavour of a proper roast chicken to roast chicken flavour crisps.
 
Thanks for the info Lucid. There was definitely something that sounded "good" about them in the bar I was in but it must have been that the certain frequencies were cutting through as you say.

On a slight tangent, how does the Bose Companion 3 compare to the Aego M's. Im looking for a new 2.1 setup for my computer and the M's seem to come very highly recommended on here. The Bose system would be at the very top end of my budget but I would prefer to pay less if I could get something similar sound wise.
 
Bose is alright for background music or where there's a lot of competing noise: In car, bar/restaurant, pub/club etc. This is because they boost the low bass and high treble portions of the frequency range. It's just like using the loudness button on a Hi-Fi.

The treble boost in particular is what people would associate with a "clear" sound. It's that quality of cutting through the rest of the noise to be noticed. However, the top end frequencies they boost are well above the fundamental range of most instruments and voices. They're boosting the harmonics instead. That's why those of us who listen to music find something lacking in the Bose sound. It's like comparing the flavour of a proper roast chicken to roast chicken flavour crisps.

lol and thats like treating peoples opinions on what they might like as if they are idiots. There's already one poster on this forum who got rid of his seperates (denon amp etc).Maybe he suffers froman appreciation of Roast chicken crisps as well?:rolleyes: Point being, it's not impossible (using your analogy) for somebody to prefer Roast Chicken Crisps as opposed to the Roast Chicken on your dinner table. Hehe :D

Thanks for the info Lucid. There was definitely something that sounded "good" about them in the bar I was in but it must have been that the certain frequencies were cutting through as you say.
The frequencies must have been cutting through because heaven forbid anybody with a modicum of taste wouldn't have noticed or batted an eyelid lol. Expressing an opinion as a Roast chicken crisp lover, the Bose campanion 3's or the 5's pee them out of the water . Go and try them. Sound advice.

One man's take on them (sound engineer)
Today, as a marketing consultant to tech firms, I constantly talk to people who are frustrated because they have a “superior” product but can’t get anyone to take a serious look at it. If you’ve ever had that frustration, then take a look at how Bose attracts new customers.

Several years ago, I moved from engineering to the dark side – marketing. These days, I don’t design cutting-edge products; I help people publicize and sell them. So having walked along both sides of the fence, I can assure you there are a few lessons to be learned from a marketing-savvy, technology-driven company such as Bose.

Some people in the speaker business don’t like Bose. Bring up the subject in a bar full of audio engineers and you’ll get an earful of epithets and insults. Kind of like mentioning Keanu Reeves in a room full of aspiring actors.

There are two reasons for that. First, the company is wildly successful. Bose is often the first brand consumers think of when someone says “speakers,” and irritates designers at competing companies. Second – its designs violate all kinds of industry conventions, and Bose speakers do not always perform well according to the traditional criteria many speaker engineers consider important.

Simply put, Bose does not build the speaker that a typical acoustical engineer wants. They build the speaker that a butcher, baker or candlestick maker wants to buy. Their products are packaged brilliantly – not from an engineer’s point of view, but from a customer’s point of view. That’s why they’re one of the biggest companies in the business.

Consider the Bose Wave Radio. After people hear the story about the acoustic wave guide and integrated signal processing, it never occurs to them that this thing is a glorified boombox.

For example, their acoustic wave guide is valuable, not because it suspends the laws of physics for never-before-achieved bass response or some such thing, but because it creates a story for Paul Harvey and the rest of the advertising department to tell.

The waveguide is not better, it’s just different. And different is the key. Bose commands a lot more money for this product – more than almost everyone else out there. That really upsets engineers who know this stuff is not magic.

So here is the lesson: Most products have some kind of subtle innovation or twist inside, something that might not initially seem to matter but can, nonetheless, create an interesting story.

What untold story lurks beneath your product?

Other tactics from the Bose playbook:
•They package their products to make it hard to comparison shop. Consider the Wave Radio again – not quite a boombox, not quite a clock radio; and far more profitable than either
•They use celebrity endorsements: Paul Harvey extols their virtues on his popular radio program
•Bose creates a story for every product they sell. Simplified illustrations of their speakers show sound wave diagrams that make you feel smart
•Their ads are keyed with special codes so they know which ones are producing results
•They recycle old ideas. Their Acoustimass products, which can be credited with popularizing subwoofers in the 80′s, are patterned after some obscure designs that were popular in the UK in the 60′s. “If you need a new idea, read an old book.”

I’m part of a newsgroup that discusses audio topics. I recently got a message from a guy named Alan who says, “I went out with this girl on a blind date. When I told her I built speakers, she asked me if I could make some just like those neat Bose speakers she saw in the store.”

His response? “Aaaarrrrgghhh!”

So I told him this: “I’ve been in the speaker world for 21 years, three of them as a professional driver designer. Throughout my engineering career, I harboured a healthy disdain for Bose. During my Jensen days, when people would find out that I designed speakers, they would ask, “What do you think of those new Bose [AM5] speakers?” Translated this means: “As a professional speaker designer, can you comment on their wonderful breakthrough technology and the thunderous bass that comes
from those tiny little cubes?”

At the time, I viewed the AM5s as something designed to help buyers part with seven hundred bucks. A fantastic plan on Bose’s part, considering what I estimated it cost to manufacture them. I often told people what I thought, too. A couple of times, though, I had to remove my foot from my mouth when I learned that the person I was speaking to owned a pair.

For the last seven years, I’ve been away from the engineering side and in the profession of sales and marketing. During my first two years in sales, I had the exquisite privilege of living on baloney sandwiches and Ramen soup. Things started to turn around for me when I got through my thick head something Bose clearly understands and has understood for many years:

Don’t sell people what you think they should want.

Sell them what they want.

Do most people want flat frequency response?

No.

Do most people want low Total Harmonic Distortion?

No.

Do most people want phase coherence, imaging that’s precise to the twelfth decimal place or superior impulse response?

No.

What do people want? Small, unobtrusive design. Exciting sound. Glamorous, impressive technology that will make their friends salivate and their wives amorous. (Note: huge, room-dominating Klipschorns or Cerwin Vegas don’t have that effect on most women).

Bose gives the people exactly what they want. Everybody else gives them a woofer, a tweeter and a simulated woodgrain box. Have a close listen to all those non-Bose $600 speakers on the showroom floor, and they all sound similar because most speaker manufacturers know how to get a reasonably flat frequency response.

Audio journalist Tom Nousaine once told me about visiting Bose in Framingham, Massachusetts, meeting Amar Bose and listening to an amazing concert hall architectural simulation software/hardware system they had developed. Very impressive, state-of-the-art technology, according to Tom.

Clearly, the people at Bose have the technology; no one can say they don’t. But they use their technology to their advantage, and they make a lot of money doing it.

So does that make the people at Bose bad people?

No, just fantastically wealthy people, with happy customers, who get more respect than most speaker guys out there.

And there’s a lot to be said for that.
 
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I got rid of my surround system to de clutter but also because i was sick of the dialogue getting overpowered, whereas the companion 3 system is great. I can hear everything with perfect clarity and a few friends that have been round were in awe of how good it sounds. So going from a very expensive av setup to these at just 220 quid from comet im more than happy thanks.
 
I got rid of my surround system to de clutter but also because i was sick of the dialogue getting overpowered, whereas the companion 3 system is great. I can hear everything with perfect clarity and a few friends that have been round were in awe of how good it sounds. So going from a very expensive av setup to these at just 220 quid from comet im more than happy thanks.

I know people have been voting with their feet with these as last time I looked the store you mentioned had been selling hundreds. I'm glad you like them and find nothing personally wrong with that. I also agree they are pretty good for what they are :)
 
The thing is they are not surround, so dont go expecting that. But what they do give is good music and good sound for films. The bass can be a bit much so i have had to turn that down.
 
lol and thats like treating peoples opinions on what they might like as if they are idiots.
What I write here isn't going to change anyone's mind as to what they like. That's their own decision.

I have talked about why Bose gets the reaction is does, and used an analogy to put it in a way that many people can relate to.


I could go on to pick a few holes in the story from the ex-designer turned marketing guy. But instead I'll give you a story of my own...

One of my customers is a Doctor named Stewart. His wife comes from a very wealthy family and so he lives in somewhat grander circumstances than the average GP.

I had just completed some upgrades to Stewarts home cinema and we fell to discussing music systems. He was interested in some sort of multiroom system for the gym and cinema at the house and also for their holiday home in Portugal. I suggested Sonos and he asked if I could show him this. I said yes, but that I only had some inceiling speakers with me at the time so it wouldn't really be showcasing the system at it's best. He said that was fine, he was more interested in how it works.

Once set up we had a zone player running in the cinema room and a amplified zone player hooked in to a pair of Kinetic inceiling speakers that were just propped up by the skirting in the games room. I played some music files off the laptop. Stewart went very quiet. This is normally a worrying sign.

It turned out that he was upset, but it wasn't what I thought. The problem was that this little ad-hoc dem was making better sounds than his £1500 Bose. More specifically, his illusion that Bose was the best sound had been rather abruptly shattered.

Admittedly the Bose Lifestyle system was a good 8 years old. But even so 192kbps MP3s played through the Sonos digital amp and some ceiling speakers dumped on the floor sounded better to him than his own CDs played directly on the Bose.


My own relationship with Bose goes back to 1990. I was working in commercial AV sales and we regularly sold Bose 901's for PA use. Through the commercial rep I got hold of a pair of AM3 to try at home. I dem'd them against my Tannoys. It was no contest. The Tannoys outclassed the AM3s in every department except compactness.

I still sell Bose, but for very specific applications. I think that the 251 outdoor speakers are great. I would also recommend Bose for low level background music in bars and restaurants as long as the sub isn't an issue. It isn't my personal choice for a domestic foreground music system, but doesn't mean to say that others won't be happy with it.
 
Ok here is a live update for you I'm in a bar in Horsforth - Kobe, they have a Martin Audio system and it sounds awesome. I thought the Bose system sounded clear but this is unreal!

NB I've had a couple of scoops so my hearing my be slightly impaired and I may like prawn cocktail crisps lucid :D
 
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