Is the job of a Human Linesman actually flawed?

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Let's assume for a second that a Linesman has Olympic sprint capabilities and incredible stamina and therefore speed to keep up with play is not a factor. Let's assume then that he is in perfect physical position every time to make a call for offside, i.e. perpendicular to the last defender (or second to last player bla bla bla) which I will refer to from here on as "the line".

Even with the above in place, I still think the job of calling offside is physically impossible for a human to achieve reliably. The Linesman has to wait until the ball is touched by the attacking side in order to then check the line, and in order to do this he simply has to rely on his eyes only. He cannot rely on sound as then he would not be confirming the person that last touched the ball in close battles. He simply has to use his eyes to confirm the last touch. By the time he has then re-directed his eyes to the line and attempted to identify attackers that are in an offside position, many players have moved in this supposedly small time window.

it only takes a split second to change your eyes position yes, but this is enough to alter the decision quite dramatically when during some extremes defenders can be running full speed in one direction and attackers running at full speed in the other. I suspect in the time taken to move ones eyes and lock focus on a possible offside offender, not just one yard, but 2 or 3 yards can be simply missed by the linesman.

After last nights Bayern/Real game, BT sports pundits were replaying the offside Ronaldo 2nd goal, whereby he was a good yard off side. One of the comments went something like "look, the Linesman is in perfect position looking down the line, how can he not see that is offside". I'll tell you how...watch it in real time and tell me you can tell it's off side. Make sure you watch the assister's boot until it connects with the ball which starts the through ball to play Ronaldo through, and then move your eyes to check if there is anyone offside. It's not possible.

Linesman are expected to do this in real time, seeing it once, when they can't always keep up with play, and are meant to interpret interference and whether an arm/half a torso is offside or not, all whilst looking in two places at the same time and running up and down a line at differing paces. It's not fair to expect them to get this right all the time. I've ran the line myself and have first hand experience of how hard this is with only 12 year old kids! Imagine Ronaldo pace lol.

I once watched a training video in a room full of coaches, and for a laugh, we were all asked to vote offside or onside on a demo video where you get a point of view of a Linesman on about 5 offsides. Needless to say the results were totally sporadic and mainly just guesses. The aim was to show you how hard it was/is.

Video assistance needs to come in whatever the cost, and I mean even if the cost is stopping play more often.
 
And yet linesmen more often than not make the right decision, even in the tightest of situations.

I totally disagree that it needs to be replaced with video evidence. How do you even decide to go to a camera decision? You can't stop the game to prove that someone was onside - so do you assume they were onside then play on until when? When do you stop the game and go to a video decision? Unless you're proposing a live in-play real-time decision system like goal-line technology except spread across an entire pitch? Good luck with that!

I once watched a training video in a room full of coaches, and for a laugh, we were all asked to vote offside or onside on a demo video where you get a point of view of a Linesman on about 5 offsides. Needless to say the results were totally sporadic and mainly just guesses. The aim was to show you how hard it was/is.

Refereeing (or linesman'ing??) a game from a video is almost impossible compared to doing it in real life. You can never pick things up as clearly and instinctively as you can when you're in amongst the action (even if it is the same POV).
 
Well I think you would basically have a set of "challenges" like in Tennis, and you would only have to "use" them (captain can ask ref) if the other team actually benefited from it and went on and scored. I think really it would only come in to play on goals (and red cards and major decisions like penalties and close range free kicks). Or, the Referee basically waits for confirmation on each goal that it was a valid goal with no fouls/offsides. It would also stop all this "cuddling in the box" where players are wrestling each other etc. The benefits are endless. It would help diving as well obviously and tackles.

The downside is that it takes the magic out of each goal as you have to wait for confirmation. But then...some goals will obviously always be goals so can be celebrated straight away. There are a few ways of doing it. This was trialed successfully the other day in a match which I forget and it helped massively. I think two goals were disallowed which would have stood.
 
Why have referees either? If computers and multi-angle videos are the thing, why even have humans?
Truth is, different people will see the same thing from different perspectives and if we don't have the opposing views of "In", "Out", "Handball", "Offside", "Ref, are you blind?", etc then what on earth will people argue about? :)
 
Why have referees either? If computers and multi-angle videos are the thing, why even have humans?
Truth is, different people will see the same thing from different perspectives and if we don't have the opposing views of "In", "Out", "Handball", "Offside", "Ref, are you blind?", etc then what on earth will people argue about? :)


An AMD computer would have said that was onside, stupid biased Intel ;)

Reality is, it would be stupid easy to show video of potential offsides during a goal celebration to check it was actually onside or not. I mean this literally happens for the home viewer before play restarts. If a goal is actually offside the ref just gets told and he calls goalkick instead of kick off. That is something stupidly easy to do. Probably would have caused three of those goals to be disallowed, two Ronaldo, one Ramos goal. Lewandowski was offside when the pass went to him and he went for it. Ramos only touched the ball because an offside player was going for it. Simple fact is video replay can help in most critical decisions and get 99.99% of them spot on with only 5 seconds of viewing. The whole idea that it's bad because we can't use it for everything all the time and it won't always get the right call is daft. If we weren't going to get the right call anyway, we've lost nothing, for all the fair decisions it gives, like catching dives instead of giving penalties, or disallowing offside goals that end up the difference between who gets relegated or wins the title, then we should undoubtedly use it.

I keep saying it, but after a short period of video replay usage, challenges allowed by managers, we'll have a dramatic drop in cheating. First week, Huth pulls a shirt, refs not giving it, manager calls challenge, penalty given and yellow card. 20 mins later Huth is sent off, along with 2 other players.... 2 weeks later, no one is pulling shirts anymore and as a result, managers don't need to call the challenge so no delay in making a decision either.

Video replay will lead to a monumental drop in cheating, a massive increase in fairness in general and likely speeding up the game with LESS stoppages than we have now.
 
So with modern tech, is it worth replacing refs and linesmen entirely, instead just having a human on the stadium PA blowing whistles and dishing out red cards, with big screens all round showing multi-angle replay for all to see and flashing up graphic animated RED CARD gifs like some Mortal Kombat Fatality?
 
Well I think you would basically have a set of "challenges" like in Tennis, and you would only have to "use" them (captain can ask ref) if the other team actually benefited from it and went on and scored.

So what you're saying is....

Team A are offside, but linesman doesn't flag - play goes on and Team A score. Team B can now approach the referee and ask him to review the offside via video replay?

What happens if Team A don't score immediately? How long could play go on before Team B couldn't go back and look at the original offside?

What happens if Team B win the ball back, go up the other end and score. Can Team A now approach the referee and say that they were actually offside and they'd quite like it to be a free kick to Team B?

This sounds like a dreadful idea that just doesn't work other than in a few very specific examples.

In tennis you have to appeal immediately (once you've attempted to play another shot it's too late). In football the game has to play on until there is a natural break, which can be a long time after the original incident. Unless you're suggesting that the captain can suddenly ask the ref to stop play (possibly for no legitimate reason) and then have the game restarted when his 'appeal' was wrong.

Imagine opposition through 1 on 1 with the keeper - hey ref, I want to use a 'challenge', I think he was offside! Stop game, check video, no sorry you're wrong he was miles onside. Oh well, never mind we're all back in position now :D
 
Right, because in a 1 on 1 situation, the play wouldn't end naturally within like 2 seconds and it would be nearly impossible for a ref to use his brain and decided to challenge the outcome a couple of seconds later. LIkewise knowing the ref would wait till the shot was taken to check it, if it was a 'fake' challenge or if the striker misses, you've wasted a challenge for absolutely no reason at all.
 
Either you can challenge in-play or you can't. That's the point. Both result in their own issues.
 
Football is ruined, so many bad decisions being made that it just flat out kills the game.

It's a joke that proper video refereeing isn't in place given what's on the line for the teams playing.
 
It would take a ref 5-10 seconds to look at footage on a tablet if there was any doubt over something. The technology is there. Linesmen can't keep up sometimes.
 
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