Is the Linux desktop experience really this bad?

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For the past week or so I've been trying to brush up on my Linux skills and refresh myself on a few things. To be honest, I'd forgotten how much I used to enjoy using Linux and most of the time it's been great.

But my word, is the general desktop experience really this bad, or is it just me?

I'm using Ubuntu (because it's the obvious friendly choice) and the 12.04 LTS release because I don't need or want anything fancy. I just want it to work. So far, I've been disappointed.

This is a fresh, fully patched 12.04 install with only the odd bit of software installed from the Ubuntu repo. I didn't like gnome 3 so I switched to v2, and then eventually xfce because it runs better on the laptop I'm using. That's the most drastic change I've made to put my usage into context.

As part of the work I'm doing I need to hop on the web and take some notes in a word processor, but I'm increasingly finding even this basic scenario a chore.

For starters, the WiFi is flaky and keeps dropping out. Now I know this and wireless networking in general used to be a nightmare. Believe me, I've been there replacing network adapters with ones that are known to be supported. I'm slightly disappointed it still seems to be an issue but to be honest I'm just glad it's sort of working. I can live with keep reconnecting.

What I can't live with are applications crashing and taking my work with them. Abiword for example decided to quit randomly last night and I lost about half a page of notes. I wasn't about to be caught with my pants down again so I reduced the auto save interval down to 1 minute. Lo and behold it crashed again later on.

So I ended up switching to Libre office which, touch wood, hasn't crashed on me so far. But the spell checker doesn't work. And that's kind of the crux of my point; there's always SOMETHING.

Now I know what you might be thinking - hardware, right? Disk comes up clean and the memory completes multiple memtest passes. I've even run debsums to check the package integrity. All fine.

I guess my question is, is this normal? Because I can't bring myself to believe that somebody using Linux as their day-to-day OS would put up with this. I know some will suffer for their cause but this would surely test the patience of even the biggest advocate.

Am I alone in this? Was my logic flawed and I chose the wrong distro? :o
 
Hardware has been running Windows pretty much flawlessly for years, and I even went to the effort of testing the disk and memory just to be sure. Hash was checked for the install media. Not sure what else I can do to be honest, it's not like I haven't given it a fair try.

Tried Linux Mint a few years ago with mixed success. I've always seen it as the slick option, which is not necessarily what I want. I want basic and stable. But I could be wrong.

To one of the comments above, is Ubuntu really notorious for crashing? If that's true then I'm more ignorant than I realise because I've never had that impression.

I've almost given up on my plan to buy a cheap ThinkPad and run Linux on it full time. I can't justify the cost given my experience so far (and thanks to those chipping in that I'm not alone in my frustrations)

I think I might just buy a Raspberry Pi instead. If I'm going to spend half my time mucking around I may as well do it properly at a fraction of the cost.
 
Tried Debian, and although my wireless adapter was recognised by the installer it would not accept my key.

So then I tried Fedora. Cue further wireless adapter problems.

So anyway I've dug out an ethernet cable and currently sitting through a net install for Debian again. I'm hoping I can get the wireless working retrospectively.
 
It was seeing all the SSIDs in range, it was just rejecting my password for some reason (and no, it wasn't user error) ;)

Thankfully after an update/reboot it's working now. We'll see how it goes. After using Ubuntu I've noticed some little differences already, like ifconfig isn't in your user path.
 
Well, so far Debian has been alright (touch wood). Wireless connection is stable which is a massive convenience boost and nothing has crashed yet. Opera hanged once but came back after about 30 seconds.

So what do people use for a firewall front end in Debian?
 
I've got csf on my debian servers. Keeps my iptables up to date. Not sure if you'd want that on a desktopish build though?

It's my learning tool so anything goes really, has lots of server roles DNS/apache/SMB running anyway.

So I've been running Debian for the last few days on and off and so far it's proven itself much more stable than Ubuntu.

Need a more powerful PC and a bigger screen now :o
 
If you're going to use xfce just go out of your way to use xubuntu from the start.

To be fair I didn't know I'd end up with xfce. I'd not used Linux for a while and really didn't like gnome3. I've stuck with gnome2 on debian and it's ok, it does the job.
 
It's funny you should mention CentOS as I was literally only yesterday thinking about whether it might be the way forward. I found an old podcast and listened to an interview with one of the maintainers and it sounds like a really good project.

I've known/assumed for a while that nvidia is the way to go with Linux stuff. I spent far too much time staring at xorg.conf a few years ago and don't really want to waste time repeating it.

Thankfully I'm not bothered about the flashy desktop effects or playing games. To be honest I prefer Windows for day-to-day stuff, which is a good thing really because it means I'm going to spend less time fussing about making the desktop nice on Linux and more time working with the nuts and bolts.

I've heard FreeBSD come up a few times with regards to servers. Are Linux skills quite transferable?
 
Thanks again. I tried CentOS by the way and I quite like it, it just doesn't support my wireless out of the box hence the dongle idea.
 
Well I bought a TP Link dongle and does it work out of the box? Does it buggery :rolleyes: :o

Ah well it was only £7. I'll have to keep trying. My heart sunk when I saw it show up as a realtek device in lsusb. I just don't seem to be getting the rub of the green with this thing.

I'll give the ndiswrapper approach a shot but even that's moaning about something to do with the configuration when I gave it a quick try earlier.
 
The debian based distros seem to support the realtek stuff fine, it's fedora/centos I'm having trouble with. I may try a ralink adapter since they actually have a Linux driver on their site for a start.
 
I only want it to work 'like Windows' in the sense that I can rely on it, which is kind of sad for anybody wanting to promote Linux on the desktop.

CentOS for now, wireless networking aside, has been fine. I've had to add the odd tweak here and there (wouldn't remember the default gateway for some reason) and I've had apache running on it and that works fine. mySQL on the other hand is another story which I've actually given up on for now (chalk it down as another 'something' that doesn't work out of the box)
 
Linux could be a good choice for gamers if all the pieces slot into place. I often wonder what value people are getting out of their Windows license if all they're doing is booting to games.

It's a massive IF, though.
 
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