Is there a reasonable upgrade case for 10600k?

Mustey · 19 Sep 2023 at 03:56

Looking to give my 3 year old system a little bump, without rebuilding too much.

Thinking to sell my 10600k for 90 quid on ebay and buy a used 10900k or something like that...
Then, overclock the new CPU and make that system last for as long as possible.
Luckily for me, I prefer playing at 1440p-Ultra and I don't feel anything over 60fps.
So, hopefully my upgraded CPU won't be bottlenecking AAA titles in 2024 and 2025?

Thing is, the 11-gen kinda flopped, if I can trust the reviewers... And 10900k still holds a lot of value, even used.

So, I would probably spend 150 quid on a CPU upgrade and not sure I'll get much more?
Meaning, in terms of when I have to eventually rebuild, I won't be buying a lot of time with that, would I?

Any thoughts, discussion, suggestions welcome

tamzzy · 19 Sep 2023 at 08:17

The 10600k is the equivalent to the 8700k back from 2017. Uses the same architecture (hence IPC etc).

You get some bump in performance, but not by a massive amount

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Tbh if your parts still hold decent value, you're better off upgrading to intel 13gen or AM5 for a proper performance bump. You may find your outlay isn't that much more than going from 10600k to 10900k.
If going for intel 13gen you could even get the DDR4 boards so you don't need to get new ram

Mustey · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:00

Sorry for going on a tangent but do you think the cooler from a 10-gen is transferrable to a 13-gen system?
It's some beefy "Be Quiet!" cooler. I remember choosing something a bit more expensive for the quietness and beefiness. I think it was good for *some* overclocking too.

All my parts were mid or higher level - at the time.
I always had crap computers as a child and, for my 40'th birthday, wanted to make good on my childhood deficit

tamzzy · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:07

Mustey said:
Sorry for going on a tangent but do you think the cooler from a 10-gen is transferrable to a 13-gen system?
It's some beefy "Be Quiet!" cooler. I remember choosing something a bit more expensive for the quietness and beefiness. I think it was good for *some* overclocking too.

You'll need the new mounting bracket

JollyJamma · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:09

Thing is, the 11-gen kinda flopped,

Uh, yes because it was expensive for the tiny performance improvement but secondhand you might be able to pick up a bargain 11900K and see a good performance improvement.

I per se wouldn’t throw out your entire current rig to move to AM5/13th gen as that’s a lot more money and a new GPU would give you more for your money.

What’s the rest of your rig specs?

mickyflinn · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:11

Mustey said:
Sorry for going on a tangent but do you think the cooler from a 10-gen is transferrable to a 13-gen system?
It's some beefy "Be Quiet!" cooler. I remember choosing something a bit more expensive for the quietness and beefiness. I think it was good for *some* overclocking too.

All my parts were mid or higher level - at the time.
I always had crap computers as a child and, for my 40'th birthday, wanted to make good on my childhood deficit

No but you can can get a LGA 1700 Be quiet will usually send you an one.

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Overclock your 10600k.

JollyJamma · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:34

Update: Looking at used 10900K and 11900K pricing, you’d be better off with a new rig.

The cheek of asking £300 for a used 10900K!

There isn’t a huge difference between a 10600K and an 11900K. Intel were being very lazy it seems.

13700F would get my vote at £350 odd pounds.

tamzzy · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:40

JollyJamma said:
I per se wouldn’t throw out your entire current rig to move to AM5/13th gen

JollyJamma said:
Update: Looking at used 10900K and 11900K pricing, you’d be better off with a new rig

My point exactly.

Could sell the 10600k/mobo for what...£200-250?
Given op has a budget of £150 that would give £350-400 to spend on the next CPU/mobo
A 13400/13500 with a b760 DDR4 board is easily doable for that budget and a much, much better upgrade than a 10900k

JollyJamma · 19 Sep 2023 at 12:50

tamzzy said:
My point exactly.

Could sell the 10600k/mobo for what...£200-250?
Given op has a budget of £150 that would give £350-400 to spend on the next CPU/mobo
A 13400/13500 with a b760 DDR4 board is easily doable for that budget and a much, much better upgrade than a 10900k

Have to agree with Tam.

EBay it appears is just stupid sometimes.

“Piece of trash. £400 Reserve. No offers”

JollyJamma · 19 Sep 2023 at 13:31

Something like this?

My basket at OcUK:

1 x MSI MAG A850GL 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 PCIE5Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-012-MS) = £119.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01) (SKU: MY-0BB-TG) = £99.95
1 x Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition V2 CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-084-CM) = £39.94
1 x Asus Prime Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6JQ-AS) = £230.00
1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.98

Total: £857.86 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Tetras · 19 Sep 2023 at 14:01

Mustey said:
Luckily for me, I prefer playing at 1440p-Ultra and I don't feel anything over 60fps.
So, hopefully my upgraded CPU won't be bottlenecking AAA titles in 2024 and 2025?

If you're playing at 1440p Ultra, I'd expect the GPU to be far more important, for the time being.

If you don't already have something at least on the level of a 7800 XT, then that's where I'd put my money. What do you have now?

Noughtboy · 19 Sep 2023 at 15:05

JollyJamma said:
Something like this?

My basket at OcUK:

1 x MSI MAG A850GL 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 PCIE5Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-012-MS) = £119.99

1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01) (SKU: MY-0BB-TG) = £99.95

1 x Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition V2 CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-084-CM) = £39.94

1 x Asus Prime Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6JQ-AS) = £230.00

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.98

Total: £857.86 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Using the above parts with an AMD build would either cost £80 less with a Ryzen 7700 (7700 £309 and MSI Tomahawk B650 £200) or £20 with a Ryzen 7800X3D (CPU £370) and that is without taking into consideration the Starfield Code which could be sold for £30 - £40. And is upgradeable for another 2 generations

Tetras · 19 Sep 2023 at 15:29

Noughtboy said:
Using the above parts with an AMD build would either cost £80 less with a Ryzen 7700 (7700 £309 and MSI Tomahawk B650 £200) or £20 with a Ryzen 7800X3D (CPU £370)

I spec B760 for a 13700F, unless e.g. there's a big need for M.2 slots.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99
1 x MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-37M-MS) = £149.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01) (SKU: MY-0BB-TG) = £99.94

Total: £617.92 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Doesn't account for Starfield, but does bring them closer.

tamzzy · 19 Sep 2023 at 16:03

@Mustey what are the specs of your current computer? Would be useful to know as it'll help with recommendations tailored to you

Mustey · 19 Sep 2023 at 19:11

I wanted to focus on the CPU update because my strategy is atypical

Already know I need a better GPU.
I just wanted to examine the system aspect a bit.
Something like: Reach the end-game for the system and then focus on GPU updates until it can't go no more

One reason behind this strategy is that maybe I can "catch" the CPU prices right when they are "old but not vintage".

I have another system I am building, using AMD k6 CPU and Voodoo 3 in SLI

THOSE parts are "old AND vintage" and cost like new parts, FFS!

As for my spec. Well, the only part that actually matters, if you ask me, is the GPU

I got the last affordable 2070S, a few days before the insanity started!
I think it's some OC version.
It's still a premium experience and I haven't even turned DLSS on yet

JollyJamma · 19 Sep 2023 at 19:14

Yeah the 2070S is good but replacing it will get you better performance per £ than a new CPU.

Your 10600K is largely ok, especially overclocked.

Noughtboy · 19 Sep 2023 at 22:42

Tetras said:
I spec B760 for a 13700F, unless e.g. there's a big need for M.2 slots.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99

1 x MSI B760 Gaming Plus WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-37M-MS) = £149.99

1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01) (SKU: MY-0BB-TG) = £99.94

Total: £617.92 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Doesn't account for Starfield, but does bring them closer.

I don't think the RL is a bad line fundamentally. However, at the present moment, I would almost without exception recommend a Ryzen 7000 over Intel due to the upgrade path. Under full load, consumption seems to favour AMD although possibly marginally worse at idle. However, the upgrade path trumps most other aspects when performance is so close..

I have gone from a R5 1600 to R5600 and R7 5700X on the same motherboard and that alone has made a significant case when all you have to upgrade is a CPU and not have to begrudge major spend on MB, possibly RAM etc etc. It is a huge bonus to literally just drop in a CPU, put on some paste and use the same cooler. Literally plug and play. The whole Intel Tick/Tock thing is a drag and a money pit when performance is not significantly increased.

Just my 2p worth.