is there an am5 motherboard with a gen5 m.2?

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Son is thinking about upgrading to AM5 come Xmas. Is there an AM5 board that has a Gen 5 M. 2?
I'm googling like crazy, but my Google fu has run dry!
 
The problem with Gen 5 M2 drives is not only are they more expensive they also run much hotter than a Gen 4 drive and with a hot gpu over them it makes things even worse and the supplied motherboard heatsinks can stuggle to cool them. It's a lot of extra money and cooling for something you won't ever notice any difference outside of benchmarks. I have a Gen 3 and a Gen 4 drive, both are 2Tb and I can't tell any difference between them unless I bench them. My previous board, a MSI Z690 Carbon wifi couldn't even cool the Gen 4 drive properly and it was always throttling until I moved the gpu and invested in some decent Thermalright M2 heatsinks so a Gen 5 drive would have been a nightmare in that board if it was Gen 5 compatible. My current board is a Asus Rog Strix B650E-F and has PCI-e 5.0 gpu and M2 slots but Gen 4 drives are plenty fast enough.
 
pastymuncher said:
The problem with Gen 5 M2 drives is not only are they more expensive they also run much hotter than a Gen 4 drive and with a hot gpu over them it makes things even worse and the supplied motherboard heatsinks can stuggle to cool them. It's a lot of extra money and cooling for something you won't ever notice any difference outside of benchmark
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, hmm,my PC has Gen5 m.2, and I've never seen the temp go over mid 40s °C according to EaseUS Partition
Master
. The motherboard's built-in heatsink is pretty beefy, though. My Gen 5 m.2 is the OS drive, and I've never had a snappier PC, near instant boot times too
load times for games are only getting longer, the more addons they use, in the games my son plays, Rust is notoriously long load time, so every little helps
119.99 as per the previous poster posted gen5 example motherboard, doesn't seem too expensive compared to mine(

Asus ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING )​

at the time of building ~£400, future-proofed with pcie 5.0, on a PC that I intend to keep for decades, and eventually move onto 8k with (4k with 4090 currently)
 
Minstadave said:
What makes you think he needs one?
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It's not that he needs one, he's selling his old PC(current worth on eBay is ~£900, which means his current m.2 will be going bye bye So a new m.2 is going to be needed anyway, and personally, I think that if buying new, might as well get the latest tech, one day Gen5 m.2 will be mainstream and cheaper for big drives

as for price, the cheapest in stock 2TB gen4 is £105.95, (2TB m.2 seemingly being the sweet spot while a 1TB gen5 is only £87.95 that seems that's a no brainer to me, £20 less for fastest possible boot drive, if the motherboard was significantly more expensive than it is then, I'd maybe think twice about it, but right now a bare bones system without epic lian li infinity fans, is only looking at£374, but he will get his own expensive fans with his own paycheck, and I'll get the 9800, and ram when I'm flush again, on the 12th, plus I can write this off as his Xmas present, and be richer come December, he is eager to build another PC from scratch, I made him build his current one with my tutelage, and he wants to go full whack epic lian li build like all the pros seem to have atm, awsome looking builds
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £373.91 (includes delivery: £0.00)​
 
Asus Prime B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MOT-ASU-04537
£140 (incl. VAT)
£120 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Lian Li Vector V100 Mid Tower Case - Black
CAS-LIA-05153
£70 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Lian Li Edge Gold 850W Black Power Supply
POW-LIA-03764
£96 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Crucial P510 1TB M.2 2280 PCIe 5.0 NVMe Solid State Drive
STO-CRU-04744
£94 (incl. VAT)
£88 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Be careful when also looking at 1TB and 2TB drives (or larger). The IOPS can change, and you usually find the 1TB drives are slower. Again not that you would every probably notice but just wanted to point that out. I'd personally also go Gen 5 if I was buying new... "just cause". But I agree with what people are saying about not noticing any difference. I'd also be looking at the newer Gen 5 drives with better controllers vs the cheaper, older, Gen 5 models that can run hot.

So if you definitely wanted Gen 5 I'd look at Crucial T710 which for examples uses ~24% less power draw then its predecessor. Or the Samsung 9100 Pro which has ~49% better power efficiency than the 990 Pro.

I also don't think the P510 you have in your basket has any DRAM cache, unlike the two I've mentioned.

PS. The Samsung 9100 Pro can also be had elsewhere, for £125.09.
 
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Threepwood said:
It's not that he needs one, he's selling his old PC(current worth on eBay is ~£900, which means his current m.2 will be going bye bye So a new m.2 is going to be needed anyway, and personally, I think that if buying new, might as well get the latest tech, one day Gen5 m.2 will be mainstream and cheaper for big drives

as for price, the cheapest in stock 2TB gen4 is £105.95, (2TB m.2 seemingly being the sweet spot while a 1TB gen5 is only £87.95 that seems that's a no brainer to me, £20 less for fastest possible boot drive, if the motherboard was significantly more expensive than it is then, I'd maybe think twice about it, but right now a bare bones system without epic lian li infinity fans, is only looking at£374, but he will get his own expensive fans with his own paycheck, and I'll get the 9800, and ram when I'm flush again, on the 12th, plus I can write this off as his Xmas present, and be richer come December, he is eager to build another PC from scratch, I made him build his current one with my tutelage, and he wants to go full whack epic lian li build like all the pros seem to have atm, awsome looking builds
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £373.91 (includes delivery: £0.00)​
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Totally pointless for gen 5.

compared game loading times between SSD, and different gen NVME.

If you save 1 second loading a game between SSD and Gen 4 NVME just how much faster do you think gen 5 is?

 
Asus Prime B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MOT-ASU-04537
£140 (incl. VAT)
£120 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Lian Li Vector V100 Mid Tower Case - Black
CAS-LIA-05153
£70 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Lian Li Edge Gold 850W Black Power Supply
POW-LIA-03764
£96 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Crucial P510 1TB M.2 2280 PCIe 5.0 NVMe Solid State Drive
STO-CRU-04744
£94 (incl. VAT)
£88 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Threepwood said:
as for price, the cheapest in stock 2TB gen4 is £105.95, (2TB m.2 seemingly being the sweet spot while a 1TB gen5 is only £87.95 that seems that's a no brainer to me, £20 less for fastest possible boot drive
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Almost the same price for half the capacity and next to zero performance gain, total no brainer.
 
Also, sorry to go slightly off topic from the drive conversation. I'd not go with that motherboard. Personally. Just as B650 chip is now EOL. May as well spend ~£20 more and go for the B850. Again, that is just my thoughts but the two cheapest I can see currently are the Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E or the MSI B850 Gaming Plus WIFI6E. Both are £149.99. I've not read the specs for either however.
 
mattyfez said:
This.

The money is better spent elsewhere in the system.
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what money? The board is cheaper, and the m.2 is cheaper than the best bang for buck gen4 m.2
Would you rather I spent more money instead??? you might have to explain that to me in small words so I can understand your flawed logic. money is not a problem here
 
Threepwood said:
what money? The board is cheaper, and the m.2 is cheaper than the best bang for buck gen4 m.2
Would you rather I spent more money instead??? you might have to explain that to me in small words so I can understand your flawed logic. money is not a problem here
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Because the 2TB is twice the capacity of the 1TB

1+1= 2
1x2= 2

If you have one apple and someone gives you one more apple, you have two apples. Which is better than one apple.
 
hornetstinger said:
yes it's a no brainer to choose the 2TB :cry: why on earth go for 1TB.

Games are so big now 1TB is waste of money.
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Because the 1TB is Gen5, literally the fastest OS drive available, it obviously pairs perfectly with the cheaper Gen5 motherboard. Additionally, the 1TB Gen5 is £20 cheaper than the Gen4 2TB. Come on, use your brain cells!
games are on a seperate SSD, space is not an issue here man.
 
Threepwood said:
Because the 1TB is Gen5, literally the fastest OS drive available, it obviously pairs perfectly with the cheaper Gen5 motherboard. Additionally, the 1TB Gen5 is £20 cheaper than the Gen4 2TB. Come on, use your brain cells!
games are on a seperate SSD, space is not an issue here man.
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yeah great saved about 1/4 a second in loading a game really worth it.

1TB is a complete waste of time, games are now 200GB each.
 
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hornetstinger said:
Because the 2TB is twice the capacity of the 1TB

1+1= 2
1x2= 2

If you have one apple and someone gives you one more apple, you have two apples. Which is better than one apple.
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Already have 2 apples , the amount of apples is not a problem, got plenty apple, what better, 3 apple or 2 apple?
hornetstinger said:
1TB is a complete waste of time, games are now 200GB each.
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he seems to be doing fine with a 1 TB OS drive, and a 2TB games drive atm, really don't expect that to change very much, but the whole OS will be snappier, and load faster, my PC with a gen 5 m.2 certainly is/does
 
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