is there an am5 motherboard with a gen5 m.2?

Threepwood said:
he seems to be doing fine with a 1 TB OS drive, and a 2TB games drive atm, really don't expect that to change very much, but the whole OS will be snappier, and load faster, my PC with a gen 5 m.2 certainly is/does
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Gen 5 will make no difference other than to your pocket - or just ignore all the advice you are getting and buy what ever you like...
 

Journey said:
Gen 5 will make no difference other than to your pocket - or just ignore all the advice you are getting and buy what ever you like...
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Gen5 has proved cheaper, and yes, I have done!
hornetstinger said:
Did you watch that video I posted? Literally 1 second difference in Forza loading times between SSD and gen 4 nvme.

So I'm sure the gains for gen 5 will save a few nanoseconds.
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do you realise this is for a OS drive, not a games drive? your video is literally pointless in this regard, if you have a video comparing windows boot times, then I'll happily watch that!
 
Threepwood said:
Gen5 has proved cheaper, and yes, I have done!

do you realise this is for a OS drive, not a games drive? your video is literally pointless in this regard, if you have a video comparing windows boot times, then I'll happily watch that!
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Cheaper but only if you compare it to an unspecified Gen 4 drive with twice the capacity, for no sane reason, and then repeatedly ignore this fact.

Also, you boot a PC once or twice a day, even if boot is marginally faster (which you've not bothered to check) why is this remotely important?

Why waste everyone's time? I'm going to need a Gen 7 NVME to save me 0.1 seconds a day for many years to get the time back.
 
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Minstadave said:
Cheaper but only if you compare it to an unspecified Gen 4 drive with twice the capacity, for no sane reason, and then repeatedly ignore this fact.

Also, you boot a PC once or twice a day, even if boot is marginally faster (which you've not bothered to check) why is this remotely important?

Why waste everyone's time? I'm going to need a Gen 7 NVME to save me 0.1 seconds a day for many years to get the time back.
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the most common m.2 size recommended here is the 2TB, because it is the sweet spot for size to cost ratio, that is the perfectly sane reason I am using that as the base example, are you new here? Or are you too far up your own butt to realise this? I've seen the odd 1TB suggested on a really small budget, but generally its 2TB m.2s that get recommended unless the budget is pretty high, but even then the bang for buck 2TB is suggested because the money for a 4TB is usually spent elsewhere
Son turns PC off when he goes to smoke a fag outside, and he doesn't trust the built-in anti-burn-in measures on his OLED monitor, so he shuts his PC down every time, even if he takes a dump, he shuts down, he is that OCD about his screen. because I won't be buying him another one if it does get burn in
If you don't feel that boot times are relevant, then go back to HDD, and enjoy the wait, dude.
I've used the boot racer program since, like forever. I'd take a screenshot of it for you if I could be arsed, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. You can't read anyway, so I doubt you can comprehend a picture either.

if you feel your time is wasted, by all means stop reading, and STOP commenting/trolling in this thread ffs! no brainer, get out, np hf
 
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Currently there is no noticeable difference between gen 5 and gen 4 as an OS drive for general use, this is well known.

You need to remember if you have an SSD and simply buy a new SSD and install a fresh OS, it feels faster and snappier. This leads to a lot of people thinking they feel the drives performance.

Certainly aim for a B850 motherboard with a Gen 5 NVMe slot and Gen 5 GPU slot, I think currently B850 is the best performance per pound with less of the PCI lane gimping we see on X870/X870E motherboards. I feel the same way regarding Gen 4 NVMe, speed is not noticeable, yet double the capacity per pound with some brands, I went with Samsung 990 Pro's simply because the Samsung 9100 Pro cost twice as much and offered me no noticeable benefit equal to the outlay. This may change in future if the Samsung 9100 Pro drops in price.

Your Crucial P510 is £88, the equivalent Gen 4 is the P310 at £62, so at £26 difference not really worth caring about unless you can't finish the build, I bought 990's over cheaper Gen 4 drives as I have had good experience with Samsung and like the Magician software.

It's a hobby, your allowed to spend or waste money on odd choices, I wasted £100 on two MicroATX cases recently that turned out not to be suitable, also £36 on a CPU cooler that changed it's mounting hardware, and bought a bunch of fans to try, for a PC I am supposed to be stripping down and getting rid of. Meanwhile I bought the same cooler and fans for a temporary case I am currently using for AM5 as I cannot decide in what direction I want to take things.

The case and PSU look great, I'm sure your lad will love it, it's similar to what my own lad is currently speccing for himself, though his build is based on the NZXT H6 in white, I am trying to get him to watch a few case reviews 1st and telling him not to get hung up on Youtube Reviews of CPU's and GPU's. But ultimately, his money, his choices.
 
Threepwood said:
if you feel your time is wasted, by all means stop reading, and STOP commenting/trolling in this thread ffs! no brainer, get out, np hf
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I suggest you apologise to them as no one is trolling you, you are being given solid advice from across the entire community that Gen 5 M.2's are a waste presently. Perhaps you should move on and just close the thread if you can't get people to agree with you? As point out directly above it's not a huge amount of money, but the advice here will be read by other users and people who are not members, to give bad advice would then be used as a benchmark for others. Spend the money get a Gen 5 drive, close the thread but don't say you are being trolled for being given facts about performance and cost benefits.
 
Threepwood said:
the most common m.2 size recommended here is the 2TB, because it is the sweet spot for size to cost ratio, that is the perfectly sane reason I am using that as the base example, are you new here? Or are you too far up your own butt to realise this? I've seen the odd 1TB suggested on a really small budget, but generally its 2TB m.2s that get recommended unless the budget is pretty high, but even then the bang for buck 2TB is suggested because the money for a 4TB is usually spent elsewhere
Son turns PC off when he goes to smoke a fag outside, and he doesn't trust the built-in anti-burn-in measures on his OLED monitor, so he shuts his PC down every time, even if he takes a dump, he shuts down, he is that OCD about his screen. because I won't be buying him another one if it does get burn in
If you don't feel that boot times are relevant, then go back to HDD, and enjoy the wait, dude.
I've used the boot racer program since, like forever. I'd take a screenshot of it for you if I could be arsed, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. You can't read anyway, so I doubt you can comprehend a picture either.

if you feel your time is wasted, by all means stop reading, and STOP commenting/trolling in this thread ffs! no brainer, get out, np hf
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I'm sure gen 5 loading times will help in reducing the loading times DOS Monkey Island games.
 
This thread is hilarious :cry:

Everyone who has advised OP that there is not much benefit to getting a gen 5 drive currently is absolutely correct. There's really not much in it outside of specific IO heavy workloads with lots of sequential read/writes. Yes the gen 5 drive will still be faster in day-to-day workloads but these are not especially tangible (ie a couple/few seconds here and there).
The main determinant of performance in usual real-world day-to-day use is random access and this hasn't improved much between gen 3-5. The headline speeds are faster, but not the random access speeds/times.
Hopefully if directstorage gets adopted by more and more games then there'll be benefits to getting faster drives but this won't help if your sole performance measure is windows boot time.

But as always, OP, it's your money and therefore your problem and no one else's. Feel free to ignore the advice/rants/trolls of faceless people on a random forum on the internet
 
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sastusbulbas said:
Currently there is no noticeable difference between gen 5 and gen 4 as an OS drive for general use, this is well known.

You need to remember if you have an SSD and simply buy a new SSD and install a fresh OS, it feels faster and snappier. This leads to a lot of people thinking they feel the drives performance.

Certainly aim for a B850 motherboard with a Gen 5 NVMe slot and Gen 5 GPU slot, I think currently B850 is the best performance per pound with less of the PCI lane gimping we see on X870/X870E motherboards. I feel the same way regarding Gen 4 NVMe, speed is not noticeable, yet double the capacity per pound with some brands, I went with Samsung 990 Pro's simply because the Samsung 9100 Pro cost twice as much and offered me no noticeable benefit equal to the outlay. This may change in future if the Samsung 9100 Pro drops in price.

Your Crucial P510 is £88, the equivalent Gen 4 is the P310 at £62, so at £26 difference not really worth caring about unless you can't finish the build, I bought 990's over cheaper Gen 4 drives as I have had good experience with Samsung and like the Magician software.

It's a hobby, your allowed to spend or waste money on odd choices, I wasted £100 on two MicroATX cases recently that turned out not to be suitable, also £36 on a CPU cooler that changed it's mounting hardware, and bought a bunch of fans to try, for a PC I am supposed to be stripping down and getting rid of. Meanwhile I bought the same cooler and fans for a temporary case I am currently using for AM5 as I cannot decide in what direction I want to take things.

The case and PSU look great, I'm sure your lad will love it, it's similar to what my own lad is currently speccing for himself, though his build is based on the NZXT H6 in white, I am trying to get him to watch a few case reviews 1st and telling him not to get hung up on Youtube Reviews of CPU's and GPU's. But ultimately, his money, his choices.
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hello, I thought about going for a PCIe5 board for him, but those options are a fair bit more expensive than the b650, and I can never see him saturating pcie4.0, plus the b650 price is very tempting, even if they are EOL now, so I guess there might not be updated Bioses for future CPUs, but there will be a clear upgrade path to the 9800, as I will only be getting him a 7800 to start with.
 
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