Is this B.S? 5870 horrible rendering AVP??

[opethdisciple]

Is this B.S? 5870 horrible rendering AVP??

If you look at these benchmarks especially at the 1920x1080 5870 scores compared to the 460 and the 470....

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vi...gtx460-sonic-platinum-extreme-oc_6.html#sect1

I havent played tyhis game yet, but I hope my new 5870 isnt going to blow a much as these benchies suggest...

 

[drunkenmaster]

10.7, well 10.5 through 10.8 standard are pretty horrible for AVP, 10.8a application profiles fixed performance in both xfire and single card.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/09/16/nv_gtx_460_1gb_sli_vs_ati_hd_5870_cfx_redux

Check down the bottom, on previous drivers the 460gtx sli(overclocked) was 22% ahead of the 5870xfire, with the new driver the 5870xfire is 29% ahead of the 460gtx sli, so the new driver bumped up performance 51%.

 

[James J]

Is this B.S? 5870 horrible rendering AVP??

If you look at these benchmarks especially at the 1920x1080 5870 scores compared to the 460 and the 470....

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vi...gtx460-sonic-platinum-extreme-oc_6.html#sect1

I havent played tyhis game yet, but I hope my new 5870 isnt going to blow a much as these benchies suggest...

Sadly those are about spot on if you have tesselation on with 4x AA. Really slaughters the FPS in many places on the game and on my playthroughs I had to turn it down to 2xAA to keep tesselation enabled. The ATI hardware really doesn't cope with tesselation very well but its 1 game you can't really tell its on or off to be fair lol.

Using 10.9 atm to test and just did a quick last stand run and its smooth with 2x AA at 1920x1080 but not with 4xAA with the same res and Dx11 features enabled.

Thats with a i7 860 @stock and 6gb DDR3 + 5870 @ stock also.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Well yes, the game sucks framerate wise on the 470gtx also at those settings, I assume he was refering to those results with the 5870 being that much slower than all the 400 series cards, however that really shouldn't be the case in general when using 10.9 or 10.5 and before.

It'll still suck at 1920x1200 and 4xaa, but it will only suck as badly as the 470gtx sucks

 

[Gerard]

Does tesellation even make much of a difference in avp? I seen a screenshot ages ago showing the alien model with and without it, and while in wireframe mode it looked impressive the ingame model difference was tiny at best.

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTI3NDkwNjIzMU92TFU1T1g2VGtfMV84X2wuanBn

Thats it? As if you'd even notice it in a fast paced game like that. And seeing as those are publicity slides i can only assume thats probably the most significant change that tesellation does to the game, if there was something more impressive they'd obviously be pimping that instead. Wireframe = impressive, ingame = meh from the looks of that image at least.

 

[Rroff]

Yeah tessellation is a bit of a joke really... the keypoints of memory and bandwidth just aren't a big enough issue on modern setups to make it worth it over a better optimised higher resolution mesh/world geometry in the first place.

 

[Broken Hope]

Does tesellation even make much of a difference in avp? I seen a screenshot ages ago showing the alien model with and without it, and while in wireframe mode it looked impressive the ingame model difference was tiny at best.

The devs for most games using tessellation are being very wasteful with it, the majority of those extra triangles in the wireframe are doing nothing to enhance model detail because they are on a flat surface.

 

[bigjimmyauk]

did they do this benchmark in game or use the benhcmark itself i ask because i've never experienced any problems and play it at 1920x1080 maxxed out, lowest frames i seen was when fighting the end boss were it dipped into the late 20's early 30's

a few randoms from my photobucket collection

 

[opethdisciple]

In other words the game is perfectly playable using a 5870?

 

[James J]

Its all well and good showing screenshots of one of the least taxing levels and areas in the game and saying its playable with the higher settings but sub 30 fps on AVP feels amazingly slow and will happen often with those settings, especially in the later part of the game (hive being an example)

 

[Rroff]

I'd agree with James - your struggling to get 40fps in one of the least intensive parts of the game - thats not really gonna be playable in the more busy areas.

 

[bigjimmyauk]

I'd agree with James - your struggling to get 40fps in one of the least intensive parts of the game - thats not really gonna be playable in the more busy areas.

How do you come to that conclusion when every alien onscreen is tessalated with no aliens it stick to 60 fps it's only when the aliens start to show it drops, i'll glady run through any level you like at max setting and show you it don't drop below 30 fps apart from the last boss for some reason.

 

[MoRT489]

In other words the game is perfectly playable using a 5870?

Yes, definitely.

 

[James J]

How do you come to that conclusion when every alien onscreen is tessalated with no aliens it stick to 60 fps it's only when the aliens start to show it drops, i'll glady run through any level you like at max setting and show you it don't drop below 30 fps apart from the last boss for some reason.

Because its not tesselation that really kills performance, its volumetric effects and advanced shadows when lots of things happen. Having 2/3 aliens on the screen won't slow the game down massively but more than that on some of the large open levels really brings the game to a crawl with 4XAA and thats with an i7 with a 5870 card.

 

[opethdisciple]

Ok guys, I think the key here tho, is not to get too fussed about maxing out the settings, and the differnece between 2x and 4x AA is going to be pretty minimal.

I wish, I could belive my own words, becuase im the worst at that. I will adamantly run all max settings and want/cant bring my self to lower any settings, but at the end of the day, thats all it takes, and tiny little reduction, to get performance back..

No big deal...