Is Vegetarianism logically inconsistent?

Not one person has really addressed my question.

I am not interested here in the pros and cons of meat eating (though I highly encourage viewing the film 'Earthlings' which is available on their website online, and also a trailer), my question is instead to vegetarians who chose not to eat meat because they believe you should not kill animals, and to ask, why do you eat eggs and diary (since both involve killing).
 
There are even (free range) dairy farms where the cows, out of their own choice, walk into the place to get milked. Not exactly enslavement.

The OP is presenting his post in a biased way. He is complaining about the treatment of animals in the dairy and/or egg industries and using being vegan as the ultimate answer. When he should be spending his time trying to sort out those industries.

Let's say you own your own farm where the cows and chickens roam free. Nothing is harmed at all. And you eat your eggs and milk your cows. If you are still a vegan in this situation then you are a "proper" vegan.
 
InvaderGIR said:
Do you have or have you ever had any pets?
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We have a pet house rabbit, which we got from a sanctuary. The poor thing has been, as people often do, released into the wild, since many people assume they came from the wild and can look after themselves (which is fundamentally wrong!) and it was found, dying and bleeding in someones back garden.

For the record, I am against pets of all kind.
 
I'm vegetarian due to a lifelong dislike for meat. Like Justin, over the years (almost 16 years) of being veggie, I've gradually got to the point where I even dislike the touch/smell of the stuff.

That said, again, like Justin, I'll happily cook the stuff for my husband if necessary. Just don't make me eat it and I'll be happy.

Due to my reasons for being vegetarian, I am happy to eat anything including animal by-products such as gelatine. As long as it doesn't taste like meat, it's fair game.

My sister-in-law on the other hand is strictly vegetarian (due to ethics as the OP), though she hasn't yet made the leap to vegan, I think she would do so if possible. Unfortunately, she is also gluten-intolerant (she believes) and so would find restricting her diet further practically impossible. She struggles hugely when we go out to eat and has been known to ask for the ingredients list in restaurants before ordering a meal. Personally, I would find that incredibly restrictive and irritating so I won't be taking my vegetarianism any further.

Besides which, I love cheese and eggs... couldn't imagine giving them up!

Oh, just to add - my husband eats meat, but won't touch anything halal/kosher and I completely agree with him for that. At the end of the day, your diet choice will make no difference to animals being killed for consumption, but at least it's done more humanely than halal/kosher is.. the animals suffer horrendously for that dietary choice (though I know I'm getting dangerously close to the religion debate here...)
 
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I love meat, if I couldn't eat meat I wouldn't want to live.

If you banned me from eating animals, I'd eat humans.

MEAT!
 
Lupine Lacuna said:
Animals are not property and we have no right to subordinate and dominate for our own ends.
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We most certainly have the right to use animals for our own ends. Evolution and the food chain says so. To think otherwise is to demonstrate your naivety. Animals may be cute and cuddly but at the end of the day they are property for mankind because they are not evolved to the degree that we are and thus cannot complain about it.

This is the way of the world and always will be.
 
Lupine Lacuna said:
Not one person has really addressed my question.

I am not interested here in the pros and cons of meat eating (though I highly encourage viewing the film 'Earthlings' which is available on their website online, and also a trailer), my question is instead to vegetarians who chose not to eat meat because they believe you should not kill animals, and to ask, why do you eat eggs and diary (since both involve killing).
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Because, obviously, such people don't see it on the same terms that you do. In a similar way that someone who doesn't eat carrots (BECAUSE IT'S KILLING THEM!!!) doesn't see it in the same way you do.

Why can't you grasp this?
 
Benihana said:
I'll just leave this here..

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This is flawed logic. You can get most, if not all of these products without any cattle.
 
Justin said:
I'm a vegetarian because I don't feel the need to eat meat as I don't particularly enjoy it and never really have and of course I don't think it's fair for them to be killed for us to eat because I love animals. Since I stopped eating it I've gone completely off it and hate the smell/look of it. Everything I cook is from scratch and I know where it all comes from, including dairy products, eggs etc.

I'd like to add that I have no problem cooking/buying meat products for others and have done on many occasions, as long as it's 'proper' meat. Others shouldn't need to miss out because of my decisions.

Vegans are usually very weird people, the smelly hippy type that lives in Brighton and survives on a diet of nuts and odd 'dairy' products. I personally don't think it's very healthy at all and it must be hell eating out.

Anyway, I can't see this thread lasting very long.
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Similar to me. The wife recently went back to eating meat, which is fair enough, it's her choice. But with there being meat around and me not having it for so long. I kinda wondered if bacon butties taste like I remembered them (having turned at 21, which is 18 years ago now). Found out I now have a proper psychological barrier against it, I couldn't even eat a bite. Which made me more comfortable with my choice of diet, and more comfortable being around meat, if that makes sense?
I don't like to make a big deal of it, I just don't eat meat. But it doesn't half **** some people off, like somehow I'm the enemy :confused:
 
Forde said:
We most certainly have the right to use animals for our own ends. Evolution and the food chain says so. To think otherwise is to demonstrate your naivety. Animals may be cute and cuddly but at the end of the day they are property for mankind because they are not evolved to the degree that we are and thus cannot complain about it.

This is the way of the world and always will be.
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I really hope a further-evolved Alien comes along and makes you his ***** ;)
 
LawfordLass said:
I'm vegetarian due to a lifelong dislike for meat...

...Due to my reasons for being vegetarian, I am happy to eat anything including animal by-products such as gelatine. As long as it doesn't taste like meat, it's fair game.
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You can't really call yourself a vegetarian if you still eat gelatine though, it's still eating meat like those ones that still eat fish. A vegetarian is someone who doesn't eat any meat, including by-products (and that includes wearing leather etc) You're someone that just doesn't like meat.

fullmetaltony said:
I don't like to make a big deal of it, I just don't eat meat. But it doesn't half **** some people off, like somehow I'm the enemy :confused:
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Neither do I, in fact, only very few people outside mine and my girlfriends family know that I'm a vegetarian. It's not something I preach about and try to convert others to, I just get on with it. That and the stupid people that ask "what do you eat then?" as if meat is included in every single thing that they eat. Does make me laugh sometimes.
 
LawfordLass said:
Oh, just to add - my husband eats meat, but won't touch anything halal/kosher and I completely agree with him for that. At the end of the day, your diet choice will make no difference to animals being killed for consumption, but at least it's done more humanely than halal/kosher is.. the animals suffer horrendously for that dietary choice (though I know I'm getting dangerously close to the religion debate here...)
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Do they really? I was looking into Kosher the other day because of work (and the fact I had no clue whatsoever what it was about) and that was saying that for meat to be kosher the animal had to be slaughtered instantly so it didn't feel a thing???
 
Justin said:
You can't really call yourself a vegetarian if you still eat gelatine though, it's still eating meat like those ones that still eat fish. A vegetarian is someone who doesn't eat any meat, including by-products (and that includes wearing leather etc) You're someone that just doesn't like meat.
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Couldn't this be expanded to the extent where you couldn't eat products that had been treated with animal manure which is by-product of the meat industry?
 
Lupine Lacuna said:
Not one person has really addressed my question.

I am not interested here in the pros and cons of meat eating (though I highly encourage viewing the film 'Earthlings' which is available on their website online, and also a trailer), my question is instead to vegetarians who chose not to eat meat because they believe you should not kill animals, and to ask, why do you eat eggs and diary (since both involve killing).
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How about you take a look at the picture posted of the cow, and look at all things on it that you use in day to day life or in some degree or another, and realise that a cow had to die for you to have it. Just because you dont eat it doesnt mean you are holier than thou for not harming animals.

DB_SamX said:
This is flawed logic. You can get most, if not all of these products without any cattle.
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Yes you CAN get it in other ways, but cows are plentiful and cheap.
 
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