Is Vegetarianism logically inconsistent?
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I can live without a bacon roll very, very easily
In fact the smell of cooking bacon now makes me feel faintly nauseous. 
It is very easy, meta analyses do not show these deficiencies of which you speak.
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Well have to agree to disagree then. They have been banned for some reason or other whatever it was so some motive was evidently found now or in the past. Tolls are here to spark arguements not discussion and with a post like that I expected one. If Im wrong then fair enough but judging by past experiences...
Anyway, if you read what I wrote I never said the discussion was pointless, I called them a troll. This sort of thing happens all the time.
With regards to original OT to give a point --> As far as I am concerned theres nothing wrong with eating meat. It tastes good, Its natural and it is good for you. Being a veggie because you don't like the flavour of meat I have no problem with. Being a veggie because eating meat is cruel to animals or somesuch I find proposterous, in the same way veggies find eating meant proposterous.
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Just because it can be easy, doesn't mean it is. Far to many people go into it with out the knowledge and as such do not have anything near a balanced diet.
But I'll leave it at that because I can't be bothered with another argument.
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This is the one viewpoint I cannot understand. If you dont like the taste, sure. If its for diet reasons, sure.
But you dont think its fair to eat animals?
Surely you must realise thats the most natural thing? It's everything about how the world works? Its why some animals have eyes in the side of their head and some like us have them in the front of our head. It's why our teeth are the way they are. It's how the entire food chain works.
Put simply if animals didn't eat other animals the world simply wouldnt function.
Yet you dont think this is 'fair'?
Boggles the mind.
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[TW]Fox;17768270 said:
Bingo.
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Eggs - as mentioned, the fact that male chicks are routinely killed as they are superfluous to the egg making process.
I'm very torn. I'm a meat eater, but after owning 2 cats for 2 years can see the personality they have. I wouldn't dream of eating them, but people in some countries would. I'm sure if I owned a cow, I would see the personality in her after a while and could bring myself to put a bolt gun to her head.
If I had to raise and kill my own animals for meat, I would probably turn veggie very quickly indeed.
I'm very torn. I'm a meat eater, but after owning 2 cats for 2 years can see the personality they have. I wouldn't dream of eating them, but people in some countries would. I'm sure if I owned a cow, I would see the personality in her after a while and could bring myself to put a bolt gun to her head.
If I had to raise and kill my own animals for meat, I would probably turn veggie very quickly indeed.
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They do enjoy getting milked but far from an easy life. With a dairy cow, the calf is taken away from its mother at 2 days old, while the bull calves can often just be shot, if not reared in pens until they can be weaned. While the cow is then put back into the dairy where it will be milked for 11 months usually twice but sometimes three times a day, which can be quite hard on a cow. They will have a 4-6 week dry/rest period a year before they are due to calve again, and the cycle continues.
With a beef cow the sole purpose is to produce beef calves. They rear a calf for 6 months outside while the other 6 months are spent outside grazing or in the shed for the winter, a beef cattle have far easier life's than dairy cattle. Maybe I am just biased as I am a beef and sheep farmer.
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It would be if it was was like that - but it isnt. They are not killed for your pleasure, they are killed because as an omnivore at the top of the food chain a balance diet contains meat. They are, effectively, killed for your survival.
Do you dislike tigers? They kill animals and eat them as well.
It's the most natural thing in the world.
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I disagree.[TW]Fox;17768404 said:
I eat meat, a lot of meat. However I don't eat it to survive, I eat it because I like the taste. I and everyone else could quite easily survive on a vegetarian diet.
And why do you like the taste? Because thats how your body works. The basic taste of meat is good - thats to encourage you to eat it. We'd never have continued eating it if it tasted bad.
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[TW]Fox;17768270 said:
We are human beings, not animals, we are unique in the fact that we can defy our natural instincts and evolve beyond them, as we are the only living species on this planet that has this ability to 'choose' and intellectually way up our choices I can only presume that this was for a evolutionary purpose, I can assure you we will not be eating meat in this fashion if at all many years in the future.
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If they were killed for our survival then how do vegetarians and vegans survive? Maybe hundreds of years ago when the only thing available was meat and the odd vegetable, but in this day and age people eat it for pleasure because they like the taste. As I said, I don't like the taste and get no pleasure from eating it.
What's disliking anything got to do with it? I didn't say anywhere that I dislike people that eat meat or kill animals so why would I dislike tigers?[TW]Fox;17768404 said:
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How can you assure this? Is it just a case of the world population increasing so much that will only be viable to grow crops instead to feed everyone? Because I am sure humans in hundreds of years time will still enjoy the taste of meat, by which time I doubt we couldn't care less about the ethics of GM crops and so will be able to grow crops in vast areas which are not possible now.
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This thread has made me hungry for steak.
Also, when you walk down a country lane on a sunny day, the shadow you cast may cover vegetation: flowers, grass etc. You're stealing the "living thing's" sunlight - its life force. How dare you. If you really are vegan, you would stop casting a shadow.
Obviously it's all subjective. What annoys me is when vegans/veggies think they're all righteous and better than meat eaters because they have more compassion for living things. Like meat eaters or horrible monsters who kill things for no reason.
The only true way to be vegan is to kill yourself and get cremated, insisting your ashes be used to nourish vegetables.
Also, why is it OK for your pets to eat meat? You allow your cat to eat meat but not yourself? That is stupid. Feed your cat grass and rice. Then when it's withering and dying, begging you for food, you wag your finger and say "nuh uh uh... eating meat is WRONG."
You just killed your cat, you monster.
Also, when you walk down a country lane on a sunny day, the shadow you cast may cover vegetation: flowers, grass etc. You're stealing the "living thing's" sunlight - its life force. How dare you. If you really are vegan, you would stop casting a shadow.
Obviously it's all subjective. What annoys me is when vegans/veggies think they're all righteous and better than meat eaters because they have more compassion for living things. Like meat eaters or horrible monsters who kill things for no reason.
The only true way to be vegan is to kill yourself and get cremated, insisting your ashes be used to nourish vegetables.
Also, why is it OK for your pets to eat meat? You allow your cat to eat meat but not yourself? That is stupid. Feed your cat grass and rice. Then when it's withering and dying, begging you for food, you wag your finger and say "nuh uh uh... eating meat is WRONG."
You just killed your cat, you monster.
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