Is violent revenge acceptable?

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I'm afraid I have no problem with sorting out revenge myself, especially if the police don't do anything about it.

If we had proper punishments for what some consider "petty" crime then I wouldn't have to bother. But sadly we don't.

Flame away.

I dont think its a matter for flaming.

If someone asked you right now what an acceptable punishment is of keying a car most would say a fine.

Wake up tomorrow and find someone has keyed your car and you would happily bring back the death penalty!!

Thats how i see it anyway!

Once it becomes personal its impossible to be objective i think. Which is why i am so amazed when the families of murdered people can forgive the killer.

 

[Ahleckz]

Revenge is about personal retribution. It has nothing to do with justice.

Iif someone intentionally and with malice aforethought hurt my family, I'd kill them.
Would I feel remorse? No.
Would it be the right thing to do? No.
Would I be no better than them? Probably not.
Would I care? No.

Take away those I care about the most and I would hunt them down no matter how long or how far or how difficult it was, they would pay a price I set, not one that society deems acceptable. If that makes me a monster or a psychopath then so be it.

Justice is often about retribution/revenge. The whole point of seeing justice being done is to get a feeling of satisfaction that the person who did wrong is to suffer for that (if this actually happens is another point).

It's interesting that you state you'd probably not be better than them, rather than coming down one way or the other. I'd suggest killing someone who had hurt your family makes you worse than them.

 

[Robbo]

It's interesting that you state you'd probably not be better than them, rather than coming down one way or the other. I'd suggest killing someone who had hurt your family makes you worse than them.

You'd have to define 'hurt' on that one.

 

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Serious reply, I understand why you'd feel like that, I bet many people would. It doesn't mean I agree with it.



I've had plenty of arguments and scrapes in my time, but it's pointless, it's petty. To extrapolate that to a bigger picture, it's still morally wrong.

Don't get me wrong, It's perfectly understandable how you'd feel, I also imagine you wouldn't be of sound piece of mind given something horrific happening in your life, but I don't think it can be justified at any point, intentionally setting out to hurt someone.

Saying all this, Many horrible things happen each day and many horrible things happen each day in return, I find it just sad and upsetting watching some of the South American gangs / African gangs who have blood feuds.

Again, My stance on things like this tend to be hypocritical and different to most.

TBH i think its why laws should never be changed or attempted to be changed based on one particular case that captures the medias attention.

Everyone can find examples of people for whom the death penalty could be justified on an individual case based on their crimes but it does not justify it in any way as a law in itself.

 

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Justice is often about retribution/revenge..

No.

That is why justice shouldnt be administered by those for whom it would be classed as revenge.

 

[fiveub]

Justice is often about retribution/revenge. The whole point of seeing justice being done is to get a feeling of satisfaction that the person who did wrong is to suffer for that (if this actually happens is another point).

It's interesting that you state you'd probably not be better than them, rather than coming down one way or the other. I'd suggest killing someone who had hurt your family makes you worse than them.

On that note. I think this thread should be locked here.

Only kidding with you.

I have never really experienced to have revenge on someone, maybe I have been lucky to not have something taken out of me in such a way for me want to "get someone back for it". If it involved murder, rape, kidnap, or something relating to someone who means a lot to me, then yes maybe my mind would be a changed mind.

 

[Tummy]

Once it becomes personal its impossible to be objective i think. Which is why i am so amazed when the families of murdered people can forgive the killer.

I don't think I'd ever be able to forgive someone for something like that, never.

It's horrible and a very hard subject, I hope to never have anything like that happen to my family (I've had friends killed) but I'd never be able to forgive them.

I think it's admirable that people can forgive people for doing something like that to them.

 

[EdGey]

Take away those I care about the most and I would hunt them down no matter how long or how far or how difficult it was, they would pay a price I set, not one that society deems acceptable. If that makes me a monster or a psychopath then so be it.

Platinum style or not, I beleive the man!

 

[Robbo]

I think it's admirable that people can forgive people for doing something like that to them.

I think it's foolish.

 

[Ahleckz]

Once it becomes personal its impossible to be objective i think. Which is why i am so amazed when the families of murdered people can forgive the killer.

That sounds to me like a dissertation title... Mmmm...

But on a more serious note, that's always been something that's fascinated me. I can understand how someone can become 'meh' towards a killer. You don't want to hate that person, it's senseless and emotionally draining to live with that sense of blame for your life. It won't help the situation and it won't deliver anything else. It will just make you, unfortunately, a worse person. However to come full circle and forgive the killer (and then you have examples of an almost Stockholm style friendship some victims families have with the killer) is something I can't understand.

 

[Tummy]

I think it's foolish.

I don't.

I could never forgive someone for taking so much away from me.

They're better people then me, to not have hate in their hearts for someone that did that.

I don't understand really the way you'd begin to deal with a situation like that.

I've had friends die, be killed and I've had family die, I don't think I'd be able to find it in myself to forgive them.

It's all easy talking about this, It could be much different if something happened.

 

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I think it's foolish.

I think it's admirable that people can forgive people for doing something like that to them.

I think its both.

I think its impressive to be a peace with yourself enough to forgive.

I know personally id want to rip some heads off!!

 

[Morgoth]

I never believed in violence.

But someone posted a youtube video earlier...

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Whilst i consider it to be mostly keyboard warrior syndrome (most 'head ripping' sentimentalists would turn tail and flee at the slightest implication of danger) it concerns me that rational thinkers can so readily identify with the distorted perceptional thinking of terrorist campaigns.

 

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That sounds to me like a dissertation title... Mmmm...

But on a more serious note, that's always been something that's fascinated me. I can understand how someone can become 'meh' towards a killer. You don't want to hate that person, it's senseless and emotionally draining to live with that sense of blame for your life. It won't help the situation and it won't deliver anything else. It will just make you, unfortunately, a worse person. However to come full circle and forgive the killer (and then you have examples of an almost Stockholm style friendship some victims families have with the killer) is something I can't understand.

The think is its all good as a theory, i cant imagine it in practice.

Ive been ****** over by someone i thought was a friend and i happily cut him out of my life, done, the end.

Now, we arent talking murder, violence or hurt or anything so in reality i cant imagine how i could be reasonable to someone who was guilty of such a thing to me or my family albeit i agree in theory with a non-violent approach.

In my younger days my girlfriend had her friends Dad try it on with her and i went out looking for blood. In retrospect it was silly and regrettable but at the time it felt justified. I guess its "do as i say not as i do"

 

[Castiel]

Justice is often about retribution/revenge. The whole point of seeing justice being done is to get a feeling of satisfaction that the person who did wrong is to suffer for that (if this actually happens is another point).

It's interesting that you state you'd probably not be better than them, rather than coming down one way or the other. I'd suggest killing someone who had hurt your family makes you worse than them.

It wouldn't matter whether it made me worse than them, although I would like to hear why you would think so. This kind of personal revenge isn't about what is right or seeking justice, it is about punishing and killing the SOB who took away my sole reason for living. Because if someone took my wife and son intentionally and with malice then regardless of the moral position of such an act i would replace my wife and son as my sole reason for living with the singleminded and implacable intention to hunt down and personally punish those responsible, no matter how long or how hard it was.

Any kind of humanity or morality I may currently possess would simply be removed, replaced with that implacable intent to make them pay, and pay in the worst imaginable way I could possibly countenance.

I understand that is wrong, both morally and legally, I understand that it will not bring closure, I understand that it will never bring them back, I understand that in doing so I would almost certainly pay the ultimate price myself or at least lose my own humanity.

The point to remember is, I wouldn't care. I would only care about retribution. My life would be entirely about enacting that retribution.

 

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Whilst i consider it to be mostly keyboard warrior syndrome (most 'head ripping' sentimentalists would turn tail and flee at the slightest implication of danger) it concerns me that rational thinkers can so readily identify with the distorted perceptional thinking of terrorist campaigns.

Head ripping was obviously a figure of speech but im just being honest about how i feel.

Im in my 30s now so perhaps have a bit more perspective on my actions that i did 10 years ago.

 

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It wouldn't matter whether it made me worse than them, although I would like to hear why you would think so. This kind of personal revenge isn't about what is right or seeking justice, it is about punishing and killing the SOB who took away my sole reason for living. Because if someone took my wife and son intentionally and with malice then regardless of the moral position of such an act i would replace my wife and son as my sole reason for living with the singleminded and implacable intention to hunt down and personally punish those responsible, no matter how long or how hard it was.

Any kind of humanity or morality I may currently possess would simply be removed, replaced with that implacable intent to make them pay, and pay in the worst imaginable way I could possibly countenance.

I understand that is wrong, both morally and legally, I understand that it will not bring closure, I understand that it will never bring them back, I understand that in doing so I would almost certainly pay the ultimate price myself or at least lose my own humanity.

The point to remember is, I wouldn't care. I would only care about retribution. My life would be entirely about enacting that retribution.

You wrote Law Abiding Citizen and i claim my £5!

 

[Castiel]

You wrote Law Abiding Citizen and i claim my £5!

The strange thing is that just by thinking about losing them in such a way, I can actually feel the innate boiling rage building deep in my chest, And it is only a hypothetical discussion.

 

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The strange thing is that just by thinking about losing them in such a way, I can actually feel the innate boiling rage building deep in my chest, And it is only a hypothetical discussion.

I totally agree and ive read many of your posts on other topics so in many ways you illustrate the points i was making earlier. Being a rational, intelligent, educated human being doesnt really have much of a impact on the reality of such a situation.