Is violent revenge acceptable?

mehuk · 8 Oct 2011 at 02:09

Yes if the circumstances are right

[FnG]magnolia · 8 Oct 2011 at 02:25

I'd like to think that I would not do what Castiel describes. I'd like to think that I'd be the better person, the more morally wholesome person, above those base feelings of needing - not wanting but needing - to exact punishment. I'd further like to think that this would go for any situation where I'd been wronged.

The truth is that I would feel exactly as Castiel describes. My family are my life and I would do terrible things to those who did wrong to them.

^TANK^ · 8 Oct 2011 at 02:47

Its easy to contemplate violence towards another, going through with it is another thing altogether. I couldn't say whether or not if I could go through with a planned act of revenge because I have such a volatile nature when under extreme pressure. I would like to think in the event of such a life altering scenario that I would take a moment and be rational and instead of having visions of blood curdling rage, I would see all that I hold dear to me and my responsibilities calming me down and helping me see sense.

LeJosh · 8 Oct 2011 at 02:56

I've thought about it many times but would I ever actually go through with it?

No.

And in this society it isn't acceptable.

On an individual basis though, yes, it could be acceptable. Such as the man who lost his wife and 2 kids by a man with a claw hammer...

But society will intervene.

frosty03 · 8 Oct 2011 at 07:02

Celestial Nostos said:
I'm with Castiel on this. Touch me or my family, and you will die.

Not 'acceptable' but at that point I wouldn't give a damn.

There are far worse things than death.... like peeing and pooping in a bag or diapers for the rest of their life, eating through a straw, being unable to move independently, or being in pain every day.... or worse yet, the pain of losing their own family, or them coming to harm...... not giving anybody any ideas, just stating that if you push someone or make it not worth living, they could come up with real creative ways to exact "justice"

frosty03 · 8 Oct 2011 at 07:08

Castiel said:
It wouldn't matter whether it made me worse than them, although I would like to hear why you would think so. This kind of personal revenge isn't about what is right or seeking justice, it is about punishing and killing the SOB who took away my sole reason for living. Because if someone took my wife and son intentionally and with malice then regardless of the moral position of such an act i would replace my wife and son as my sole reason for living with the singleminded and implacable intention to hunt down and personally punish those responsible, no matter how long or how hard it was.

Any kind of humanity or morality I may currently possess would simply be removed, replaced with that implacable intent to make them pay, and pay in the worst imaginable way I could possibly countenance.

I understand that is wrong, both morally and legally, I understand that it will not bring closure, I understand that it will never bring them back, I understand that in doing so I would almost certainly pay the ultimate price myself or at least lose my own humanity.

The point to remember is, I wouldn't care. I would only care about retribution. My life would be entirely about enacting that retribution.

If only that happened more often, it would be a real detarrant to anybody thinking of doing bad things to anyone. The thought that there would be some sort of comeback from a determined relentless and fearless individual with nothing to lose. It would make anybody think twice before being bad.

The 5 years in a country club for killing someones whole family just isn't enough of a deterrant.

Tibbz2 · 8 Oct 2011 at 08:17

Ahleckz said:
That's why I was discussing planned revenge rather than a fight. Fights are quite different to premeditated violent revenge. Though, your view is a very wise one to have. Fighting rarely, if ever, solves anything.

Yeah I avoid 'getting physical' at every turn. Only should ever be used at a last resort/self defense...

Freakbro · 8 Oct 2011 at 09:02

frosty03 said:
If only that happened more often, it would be a real detarrant to anybody thinking of doing bad things to anyone. The thought that there would be some sort of comeback from a determined relentless and fearless individual with nothing to lose. It would make anybody think twice before being bad.

So why doesn't the death penalty in countries that have it stop all these crimes?

The 5 years in a country club for killing someones whole family just isn't enough of a deterrant.

You really are silly aren't you :rolleyes:

Cosimo · 8 Oct 2011 at 09:23

Angilion said:
Acceptable? No. It has no place in civilisation.

Understandable? Yes.

frosty03 · 8 Oct 2011 at 10:50

Freakbro said:
So why doesn't the death penalty in countries that have it stop all these crimes?

You really are silly aren't you

like i said, worse fate than death....... death penalty in any country wont drop the crime rate to zero....

nah, our justice system is....