Oh who will rebuild? Maybe we know some nice chaps to help?
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Oh who will rebuild? Maybe we know some nice chaps to help?
Associate
French Interior Minister: We will start the "dissolution of mosques where hate is preached."
https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/666002637830115328
https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/666002637830115328
Hopefully not, May we destroy thier country so that for the next thousand years not even a single lizard will survive in thier desert. And may Putin drink the blood of every man woman and child in Raqqa!
"Confirmed that all the attackers are dead" does that mean they've got the brother? 
Not so sure closing mosques is the right answer(hate preeching ones). Maybe to remove the leader of it would be more acceptable(assuming they're the ones preaching hatred).
Not so sure closing mosques is the right answer(hate preeching ones). Maybe to remove the leader of it would be more acceptable(assuming they're the ones preaching hatred).
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"Confirmed that all the attackers are dead" does that mean they've got the brother?
Not so sure closing mosques is the right answer. Maybe to remove the leader of it would be more acceptable(assuming they're the ones preaching hatred).
You mean a long drawn out game of whack-a-mole.
Compared to whack a "someone preaching somewhere unknown" version?
At least if it's kept open a closer attention can be paid.
Soldato
Is there some top of command people or person in ISIS known to intelligence (eg, like Bin Laden was) that if killed, the rest of ISIS/ISIL will finally end and all these random terror attacks in random countries would finally stop, or is that gross over simplification?
dunno about that - one one hand it is probably useful to stop hate preachers from coming to big mosques, universities etc.. maybe it would have been useful to simply cart off captain hook at the Finsbury park mosque back in the day etc..
but we also don't want to drive this stuff underground into makeshift mosques... much better to monitor/record/bug sermons/meetings at known mosques and keep tabs on known idiots
There are wider concerns though re: extremist - frankly we ought to get rid of some religious schools - especially where saudi arabian organisations have been promoting full retard forms of Islam in text books etc...
It is a massive over simplification, although they DO have a leader who they believe is appointed by god (Abu Bakr).
If he is killed and the information spreads it will smash a lot of their mythology and demoralise them.
Associate
"Confirmed that all the attackers are dead" does that mean they've got the brother?
Not so sure closing mosques is the right answer. Maybe to remove the leader of it would be more acceptable(assuming they're the ones preaching hatred).
I guess they would only be looking to close mosques which are brainwashing centres for young muslims and future soldiers, not your everyday places of worship.
Except these attackers were known to the police, And they said inthe news they simply do not have the resources to track and follow every single Islamist in Europe.
Belgium has an entire part of Brussels that is called the Jihad capital of Europe. They said they went there to collect the guns and belts and then rented a car to France. And they were stopped on the way no? they were able to say the French person attended the Mosque in Chartres daily. How do they know all of this and yet failed? So that would not work either. You need to be radical to deal with a radical.
Just imagine the more people you turn into an extremist and sits on Welfare (Jizya) the more resource you put on the police. So with enough people you could actually strain the entire system and cause a collpase due to funds but that is far fetched. But still think about it for a second how much more money from taxes will now go towards fighting them. Every little thing they do seems to be so superior and unstoppable.
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Indeed. Salafi material is written in such a simple way that it attracts people through making everything so easy to understand. And their scholars are very good at promoting their beliefs.
I never said you could stop all attacks - I'm pointing out the flaw with closing down mosques - you're going to have even more problems if you're less able to identify these people
Soldato
I do wonder how long the French will keep this up against ISIS, hopefully this isnt ok we will do some airstrikes for a few weeks to keep the people happy and just back off.
I'd really like the countries to come together and wipe ISIS from the face of the earth.
I'd really like the countries to come together and wipe ISIS from the face of the earth.
Argh sorry I failed to add the main point there. They're only saying they'd close mosques that are preaching hate. Fail
.They will simply preach it online or through audibooks if you only close the extremist Mosques or some other kind of encrypted media. Again Islam is one step ahead. Could go on and on and on but it will be useless. At least it will give them a good excuse to ban all forms of encryption though.
And what about foreign Mosques? Can you stop someone going abroad? The problem is Islam exists and has a flock to pick from. That is all they need and with HR charter you are powerless.
And what about foreign Mosques? Can you stop someone going abroad? The problem is Islam exists and has a flock to pick from. That is all they need and with HR charter you are powerless.
Soldato
Send in the AC-130
Smashing up the symptoms of the problem does very little to rectify the actual problem.
Soldato
Good news, perhaps our government will grow some balls and follow suit. Not holding my breath for that one though.
