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ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by RoboCod, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. Dunks

    Sgarrista

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    What the hell are you on about? :confused:
     
  2. Raz

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    Unfortunately that's been happening for a while now. A bomb goes off, rescuers arrive then a second/third bomb goes off targeting them. In all that bloodshed and devestation, it's remarkable that even knowing these tactics people - emergency services and other survivors alike - still rush to help the wounded and trapped. Braver men than I.

    Well, the thing is that plenty of people have sat down with history books and the Quran and then converted to Islam.
     
  3. NickK

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    Very True. However no British only political party attempting enter into French politics. The point here is that there's no desire to change the State or Law. I think that's the point that most people see as gradual naturalisation over time/generations rather than attempt to change the native without naturalisation.

    The immigrant situation is the same for all immigrants, being at the low end of the scale finding it difficult to learn and adapt (as first generation) results in friction. State often believe that people must prove their desire to naturalise in learning the language etc, providing tokens for after-school lessons to potential natives in learning the language and helping with reading/writing and maths. Personally I think this should be free for anyone that seeks it - including natives.
     
  4. Rofflay

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...rkshops-on-how-not-to-be-racist-10310308.html


    Common in America too. And i thought University was about getting an education on a certain specialist topic.
     
  5. One More Solo

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    Have I missed the bit where attending Race 101 was mandatory? Given Oxbridge's less than inclusive nature, it seems like a helpful session...
     
  6. The Running Man

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    Are the brits moving there to claim benefits and build mosques? Are they pushing 20-30%:of the population of towns and cities and growing? Are they part of another culture that we are in conflict with?

    Or are they retirees spending and investing money into the local economy?

    It's nothing like the same and i don't even know why you mentioned it in the same breath tbh.
     
  7. NickK

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    Actually - you can't say that running for a RELIGIOUS party in changing state based on religion is not segregation. Ireland is a good example.

    The question is that change preventing naturalisation.

    Question then is - should a migrant with a religious belief be forced to naturalise regardless of religion?

    The french state does not acknowledge religion. Hence laws about naturalisation will disregard any religious demands. An example is a wedding - you have a state part and then whatever you chose todo after is up to you but just having a religious wedding is not being wedded in the state's eyes. I've seen many french weddings - including obviously islamic after, so it's down to how people react.

    This makes france a perfect target for ISIS where the fact that the state does not acknowledge religion (rather than have state religion, although the majority is roman catholic) makes it more difficult for immigrants whose life revolves around it.

    Personally I think religion has no place in state. That way it is both fair to all.
     
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  8. One More Solo

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    Agreed. If you move to a secular country then you keep religion to yourself.
     
  9. Chojin

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    The early stages of Stockholm syndrome in motion.
     
  10. ak22

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    Good on him and those people who joined in ISIL have no place in Islam.
     
  11. dowie

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    they'd say the same about other muslims too...
     
  12. ak22

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    Im sure they would that's why they are butchering Muslims on a daily basis, good thing we have book called the Quran to show whos correct.
     
  13. KizZ

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    BREAKING
    https://www.rt.com/news/322488-nigeria-market-blast-yola/
     
  14. Hitman_Leon

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    ^ More senseless murders by twisted scumbags.

    Rip to the dead, and sympathy for those injured.
     
  15. Mynight

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    :(.
     
  16. B&W

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    Yeah but they make up less then 10 % of Muslims and represent a fringe. There views are not accepted by the main stream.

    It's like that crazy church in America whose opinions aren't accepted by most Christians as Christianity.
     
  17. ThestigGT999

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    [​IMG]
     
  18. itchy

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    Spoke to my other half tonight about all this.

    She is a Christian and am a nobody, we both agreed that religion not matter what faith should be outlawed.

    Its causing so much trouble and anguish, its not worth it.

    We all just people and without religion, I think we would be a better race together.

    All in the same pond, metaphorically speaking. ;)

    We have 2 Gods the sun and moon or day and night.
    That's it, nothing more and nothing less so can we all just get on PLEASE :D

    The man made construct that is religion is causing so much trouble, only a man could have made it. Go figure? :rolleyes:

    Imagine a world with no gods? That is heaven. ;)
     
  19. Mynight

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    Let's be honest. If it wasn't for religion we'd only find another reason to kill each other.
     
  20. dowie

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    except it doesn't show whose correct - they can use all the nasty parts of that book to justify their actions just as you can make claims about how they should be disregarded because of x or some scholar claims y etc...