ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Curio said:
but the truth is we didn't know if he still had them because he wouldn't let the inspectors do their job. What were we supposed to think?
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That isn't how I remember it. Repeat a lie enough times etc

"There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix

"The important thing to remember, Blix said repeatedly, was that Saddam was cooperating with the inspections, despite the difficulties they create for a leader."

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/03/18_blix.shtml
 
Amp34 said:
He didn't have any at the time of the attack though, which was the pretense of going to war in the first place. Aka the 45 minute claim.

The statement on the picture isn't well written though.
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I agree the 45 min stuff was pure BS, as I said before. However, we honestly had no idea what he had. He could have had anything from zero to twice as many as we thought. If we had just come out and said "this guy has used WMD in the past, he invades his neighbors, and he won't let us in to see what he's up to, so we're going in to find out", I don't think many people would have argued. But they had to dress it up with rubbish like the 45 minute claim and "links to AQ" to try and sell it. We had the legal justification for such action - we didn't need the BS.
 
jl10000 said:
That isn't how I remember it. Repeat a lie enough times etc

"There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix

"The important thing to remember, Blix said repeatedly, was that Saddam was cooperating with the inspections, despite the difficulties they create for a leader."

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/03/18_blix.shtml
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Your totally correct, it's amazing the ignorant bliss we are kept in.

@Curio you should watch this series,
I think one America says at one part, 'The less the evidence became for WMD, the greater the will to go to war was'.

And here is a funny(ish) part, where the inspectors are searching for the WMD and find a jar of marmalade, sums a lot up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-Dx37S2yk&t=3m5s
 
dowie said:
You don't get why they might not want ISIS fighters (regardless of nationality) to slip in and out of Europe unchecked?
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The Paris suicide bomber Ahmad Almohammad slipped into Europe with refugees landing in Greece early October, tightening border control now is a perfectly sensible measure, except for a few ******** here and there who want to keep living in la la land.
 
jsmoke said:
Your totally correct, it's amazing the ignorant bliss we are kept in.
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Blix said in Jan 2003

"Iraq has not genuinely accepted UN resolutions demanding that it disarm"
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Another inspector said

"Nobody really knows what Iraq has. You really can't tell from a satellite image what's going on inside a factory."
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Iraq had indeed complied with a fair amount of requests and destroyed a large amount of stockpiled stuff. But they were also certainly trying to hold certain things back. Keeping their track record in mind, I would rather be 100% sure. Let's just say it would be even more ignorant to take Iraq at its word than the West.

Not that I agree with how the war / post-war was handled of course...
 
I think the next stage logic is as follows.

ISIS attempt to drag everyone in - attempting to prove that religion is superior over state.

If ISIS win then they will claim Allah is on their side and self justify continued war on everyone. The danger that the propaganda will then state that religion is better than man in guiding states and thus the state must be governed by religion. Thus attempting to self validate there claims to recruitment.
Edit: This would annoy every other muslim sect with consequences that religious leaders may be forced to act.

If ISIS fail then the remaining members will claim that Jihad is still on, and attempt (during the loss) to pull "muslim brothers" (the same they've been killing) into protect islam, attempting to sound like they're the oppressed through propaganda and recruit sympathisers.

Meanwhile other sects will sit back and watch ISIS burn because that interpretation was obviously wrong.
 
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Just heard ISIS have a 24/7 IT help desk...

"Have you tried switching your religious fanaticism on and off again?" :D

(And no, it's not a joke..)
 
Freakbro said:
Just heard ISIS have a 24/7 IT help desk...

"Have you tried switching your religious fanaticism on and off again?" :D

(And no, it's not a joke..)
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I bet Anonymous hack it so that the suggestion is more like a bullet-driven reboot.

It seems that Anon are going after the propaganda distribution mechanisms (publicly). Quite what fun they're having behind the scenes with ISIS is a different matter.. I have this weird image of Cyber incursion teams sat jacked into an ISIS computer having this creepy knowledge that they're not alone.. possibly even having some fun chatting to one another about things.. before joking what would be the most funny thing todo with their server... (having appreciation of cultural differences in humour is a must)
 
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NickK said:
There's a reason ISIS haven't tried infiltrating North Korea. They recognise the masterful state of psychosis achieved there and they're scared.
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I'm pretty sure ISIS would execute a North Korean without hesitation, they would love North Korea to become involved, only slight problem is that North Korean citizens are not allowed to leave the country, can't even call out of the country and I doubt very limited internet. I doubt 99% of North Koreans even know the conflict is going on and the would Kim really be that bothered.
 
jsmoke said:
I'm pretty sure ISIS would execute a North Korean without hesitation, they would love North Korea to become involved, only slight problem is that North Korean citizens are not allowed to leave the country, can't even call out of the country and I doubt very limited internet. I doubt 99% of North Koreans even know the conflict is going on and the would Kim really be that bothered.
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As I said.. don't try when you know you're outclassed :D
 
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