Issue With 2.0 TDI VRS Skoda Octavia - Judder On Acceleration

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Hi,


So about 2 months ago I was joining the motorway via slip road and the car just lost power and when accelerating in 1/2/3/4/5/6 gear around 2000-3000 rpm it sounds like a cat purring or vibrating like. It vibrates the pedal the car and people can feel it in the car. Then the DPF light came on the way home, so I assumed it had something to do with the exhaust. Anyway, the glow light bulb also kept coming on flashing and throwing the car in to limp mode. the only way to remove it out of limp mode was to quickly switch it on an off again while driving. Finally, before I got it to a mechanic the engine management light came on.


Now when they hooked up the diagnostics to the car h said the DPF was saturated at 96% so was unable to regenerate as the threshold is 60%. So, they said I need a brand new DPF because this is one knackered, then he said it would also need a brand new DPF sensor. Also, to add to the issues he said the diaphragm was split so that needed replacing. Then to add to the problems he said that the Intake Manifold had some movement in the plastic arm on the right side which opens and closes the flaps. There was a 5mm movement downwards causing a air pressure leak.


So i paid over £1000 for a:-


Brand new DPF

DPF Sensor

Oil Change

Oil Filter

New Diaphragm


Then I was told the car was fine to be driven away but the intake manifold needed replacing within a month. I drove it for 8 miles and the DPF light came on for the brand new DPF which was fitted, angry I drove back to the same mechanics who advised it shouldn't have come on in 8 miles, there must be a reason why its chucking so much soot down the exhaust. They felt the DPF was faulty, so they replaced the DPF as it was 57% full after 8 miles and his diagnostics laptop said that it had failed to do two regens in those 8 miles, so something was stopping it. Adamant they blamed it on the intake manifold causing the pressure leakage which caused the regen to fail. So i spent over 4 days ringing over 215 scrappers and breakers to find one plastic intake manifold with no wear on the arm. Drove over 80 miles to get it, brought it back they fitted it as well as the new DPF. They took it for a road test and it’s still not regenerating!!!! WTAF!! So being adamant it was one thing, then when that's fixed, they said they have no idea.


He said for some reason its throwing a lot more soot down the exhaust than usual, so as you would imagine I went round and kicked off royally with the mechanic because to go from being adamant this was the issue and then I got all that fixed and were back to square 1. So the mechanic won’t take it on now after me kicking off with him, spending over £1000 when all he has done was treat the symptoms of the car and not look at the actual causation of the DPF filling up in the first place, and the judder in acceleration which is obviously why the DPF is not regenerating. So then as I took my car and drove away the judder on the acceleration is still there, anger furthermore I went back to kick off because said the boost leak would have solved that acceleration judder. when clearly it hasn't, i got told to go cry elsewhere and phone the liar police because all they have ******* done is lie to me from day one.


When all they have done is fix the symptoms and not the cause of the problems, like what a GP would do. They treat the symptoms and not the cause of the actual symptoms.


So I’m back to square one and over £1000 lighter, I need help you can see above what’s been changed, sorry forgot to add, when they replaced the DPF they took off the EGR Valve and they said it was a tiny bit clogged but nothing that would cause any issues. So, he said they would give it a clean out and fit back to the car.


So, in total to summarise it’s had:


Brand new DPF x2

Brand new DPF Sensor

EGR Valve Clean Out

2nd Hand Intake Manifold with no moment in the flaps so no boost leak

New Oil Change

New Oil Filter

Brand New Diaphragm


However, after all that it’s not regenerating, a still juddering under acceleration?? Help please otherwise I the way I’m feeling right now, I feel like writing it off by driving through the mechanics shop and garage for the **** they have dragged me through all for nothing. I am also thinking of taking it to small claims court because they have still not fixed what I asked them originally to do.


Help Please


Matt
 
Pd170 is notorious for dpf issues, thats why many don’t have them. Just to ask, is the car remapped at all?
 
Could be a load of issues causing excess soot really needs a garage that can diagnose it properly. Due to the speed the new DPF was filled up I would guess a faulty injector sticking open.
 
No it's not.. how would that help?

If it was I’d have assumed it was mapped incorrectly thus bellowing out far too much soot due to air and fuel mixture being off.

Because the pd170 uses the Siemens ecu when mapped incorrectly it can cause a stutter on 50-100% throttle which feels like a jolt backwards and forwards if mapped incorrectly due to the way boost comes in. As the limit is around 26psi iirc.

Are both dpf which have been used to replace the potential faulty one genuine items or pattern parts? Did they confirm the MAF/n75/MAP sensor to be working correctly? A long with injectors?

If the car is worth while to you I’d suggest taking it to a VAG specialist who’s handy with diesels. If you’re not far from Barnsley dark side developments would most likely suss the issue out as they’re decent with the pd170 lumps.
 
Quite likely to be a failed injector, had a similar issue with a truck recently , sudden juddering on acceleration and the truck going into regeneration mode (something I’ve never noticed one of these do before after years of driving the same models) power was noticeably down as well which I’d expect with a car with a similar problem.
 
Glow plug issue surely a possibility as well, he mentions the light coming on which could means its intermittently failing. No mention of mileage, so they could be getting to end of life
Could be getting a bad burn on one cylinder giving same effect as a dodgy injector?
 
I had this on a VW Gold 2.0 TDI. Everything was tried (second hand warranty). Then the warranty ran out and I was stuck with a car we did not want to drive. It got so bad it would judder and stop sometimes at junctions.

Sold it to we want any car and I had to park it round the corner overnight as the only time it did not do it was for about 10 minutes after a cold start.
 
Can’t remember as it’s been a while now since I owned my pd170, but if the glow plug light flashes then it was related to a sensor which seemed to solve it. Did they check the egr valve at all? As sometimes that can stick.
 
Could do worse than chuck some Wynns in with half a tank and give the car a good thrashing up and down the motorway.

I really worry about my car doing what yours is (58 plate Golf TDI).
 
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Glow plug issue surely a possibility as well, he mentions the light coming on which could means its intermittently failing. No mention of mileage, so they could be getting to end of life
Could be getting a bad burn on one cylinder giving same effect as a dodgy injector?
A glow plug issue isn’t going to show itself when the engine is already running - glow plugs have nothing to do with the running of a Diesel engine, bar starting it from cold.
 
Glow plug issue surely a possibility as well, he mentions the light coming on which could means its intermittently failing. No mention of mileage, so they could be getting to end of life
Could be getting a bad burn on one cylinder giving same effect as a dodgy injector?

Its 127K miles but the glow bulb can come on in heavy acceleration when it's been on for over an hour and easily warm enough.
 
A glow plug issue isn’t going to show itself when the engine is already running - glow plugs have nothing to do with the running of a Diesel engine, bar starting it from cold.

True, reading back i didn't really describe what I mean, I mean the sorts of circuit testing thats going on now, so something up with that whole circuit which triggers a fault and hence a reaction from the ECU, which indirectly causes a bad burn, via incorrect fueling (could be timing, misreading temp sensor etc)
 
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