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The 2013 F1 season is finally over. And Lord above didn't it drag? But let us celebrate the few good points from this season, all the great moments that briefly kept us on the edge of our seats.



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Hmm. Maybe.....what about.....oh, but......no, but if you carry the 2.....divide by 6.....
Yeah. Not exactly a vintage season by any stretch of the term, made even worse by F1 fandom reverting to 2008 levels of lunacy and then, just for good measure, surpassing it. There were bright points, of course. I mean, there must have been some. I'm just struggling to remember one right now.

At all.

Ah well, here's to hoping next year is halfway interesting!
 
About right.

The only things I liked was the REAL overtakes by Lewis\Fat John\Alonso. Other then that the most boring season since the MSC days.
Forgot the stupid decision by pirelli to gift rb the titles and when poor Force India was doing so well.
 
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deuse said:
Forgot the stupid decision by pirelli to gift rb the titles and when poor Force India was doing so well.
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Pirelli tyres explode at high speed due to construction issues: people cry
Pirelli tyres don't explode at high speed but some teams gain advantage: people cry

Why do tyre companies even bother with F1, especially when requested by the FIA to make poorly-performing tyres, making your PR department weep?
 
2013 the year of preserving the tyre. Sadly even the first half of the season was boring due to this. Then came the Vettel show in the second half of the season which didn’t help matters.

Roll on 2014. I want to see sensible tyres, a good spread of performance from the different power units at different circuits and from the different aspects of the unit as well. The youngster I really want to see do well to shut up all the critics. Kvyat has done a good job even though his Friday morning running has been limited. I want to see Ricciardo take the fight to vettel, raikonen to Alonso, Merc to build a chassis that doesn’t munch through its tyres like there’s no tomorrow, and lotus to still be completive. Oh and I wouldn’t mind a resurgence in form from Williams and for the caterhams and marussias to finally, occasionally mix it up with the current midfield crop, and a partridge in a pear tree wouldn’t go a miss :D
 
this_is_gav said:
Pirelli tyres explode at high speed due to construction issues: people cry
Pirelli tyres don't explode at high speed but some teams gain advantage: people cry

Why do tyre companies even bother with F1, especially when requested by the FIA to make poorly-performing tyres, making your PR department weep?
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What it is for me is that Pirelli could have made the tire stronger but they being tight gits they just used the 2012.

Bridgestone had blowouts but you never saw them panic.
F1 is going to be the most managed motor sport on earth from next year.
 
deuse said:
What it is for me is that Pirelli could have made the tire stronger but they being tight gits they just used the 2012.

Bridgestone had blowouts but you never saw them panic.
F1 is going to be the most managed motor sport on earth from next year.
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I get the impression they can't just make a new compound on the fly. It needs extensive testing. Mid season they didn't have that option so reverted to the 2012 compound.

Safety > le interesting championship.
 
deuse said:
What it is for me is that Pirelli could have made the tire stronger but they being tight gits they just used the 2012.
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They reverted to the 2012 construction with the 2013 rubber. It wasn't just pulling out old tyres.

deuse said:
Bridgestone had blowouts but you never saw them panic.
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I can't recall Bridgestone having failures in the way Pirelli had at Silverstone. Every tyre manufacturer has failures from time to time, but when there are four identical failures in a weekend you've got to do something about it.

I dread to think what would have happened at Indianapolis 2005 if they'd just carried on regardless. They'd already had one unconscious driver with a spinal injury the year before.
 
Skeeter said:
4? Wasn't there at least 6?
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From the top of my head (5 - I'd forgotten Massa):
Perez in practice
Hamilton
Massa
Vergne
Perez

Of course there were others (Vettel's being severely cut and Alonso's already deflating at the end of stints, and I'm sure varying degrees of issues on others), but without checking I can only recall five actual full failures on track.
 
this_is_gav said:
From the top of my head (5 - I'd forgotten Massa):
Perez in practice
Hamilton
Massa
Vergne
Perez

Of course there were others (Vettel's being severely cut and Alonso's already deflating at the end of stints, and I'm sure varying degrees of issues on others), but without checking I can only recall five actual full failures on track.
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There was a Sauber too, but it wasn't caught on camera (except for the car plowing through some marker boards). Or was that Vergne?
 
this_is_gav said:
I can't recall Bridgestone having failures in the way Pirelli had at Silverstone. Every tyre manufacturer has failures from time to time, but when there are four identical failures in a weekend you've got to do something about it.
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I would like to see a technical person go through the records comparing the aero during the Bridgestone era compared to the aero this year.
My guess is that it is not actually all Pirelli's fault that they had more blow-outs than Bridgestone, but more the fact that the routing of the hot exhaust around the rear tyres, and the way the aero pushes the car down is completely different.

Just look at Force India and Lotus. They designed a car which didn't suffer any blow-outs by having aero which did not over stress the tyres n the specific way. RBR, Mclaren, Mercedes and TR did and they had blow-outs.
 
Missed so many races this year in the end. Didn't miss it one bit. Yeah it was worse when the tyres changed but it was still a complete joke with the tyres before.

I hate these tyres, I hate the two tyre rule and I tolerate DRS.

I listen to giantbomb podcast, a gaming podcast each week. One of the regulars has tried to get into f1 and each week he describes the race to the others. Its actually pretty funny as they always remark how utterly dull it sounds.

For me it's far too much of tyres that I barely care anymore. A driver is about what 0.5% of the laptime, don't even know why we bother discussing and comparing them tbh.

Good ridance.
 
Now that F1 2013 is over and done with, will the teams be running the cars before they launch their 2014 challengers? I can understand that with the power unit changes there's little point of doing much running but surely aero parts can be tested?

Just wondering when the V8s will be used for the last time.
 

Sadly not blown to destruction, but I wouldn't want to stand too close just in case!

Edit: Gives you some hope for 2014 too. The V8s sound utterly crap without anything to drive (OK, they usually sound crap compared to engines gone by too, but things move on). Hopefully when the turbo engines are off the dyno, we get a bit more of a grumbling tone.
 
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MarcLister said:
Now that F1 2013 is over and done with, will the teams be running the cars before they launch their 2014 challengers? I can understand that with the power unit changes there's little point of doing much running but surely aero parts can be tested?

Just wondering when the V8s will be used for the last time.
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Nope. Testing is banned until the official tests. In fact they actually had to change the rules this year to allow testing to start in January.

The V8s are now demo units or coffee tables. Some may end up being sold on. There was a Hillclimb car that ran an Arrows V10. Some might end up in the BOSS series. But in terms of being used by teams for relevant development, they have been used for the last time.
 
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