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Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge

Interesting read, such a shame it isn't enough to convince me to go from LGA1366 to Ivy! Come on Haswell...
 
I guess factoring out the 2.6% increase in clock speed 3770 vs 2600, we are left with rough 'clock-for-clock' improvements of:

SYSmark 2012 4.3%
HDXPRT 2011 11.1%
Cinebench 11.5 12.1%
ProShow Gold 4.5 10.1%
Excel 2010 21.8%
 
Been doing a bit of reading up today - is there really no 6 core ivybridge cpu?
all the presentation slides Im seeing seem to be based around 4/8(HT) cpu's
Im looking as I have a case and new PSU coming for xmas, which gives me until April to buy the SSD's, HDD's Gfx etc

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How depressing, Im seeing other posts saying that there will be no 6 core ivybridge.
Makes me wonder what the point of ivybridge is then for someone speccing a new build now, might as well go socket LGA2011 and stick an i73930K in it.
Surely this can't be right?
 
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Ivy Bridge is basically just a core shrink of Sandy Bridge (with a few small improvements). Sandy Bridge only ever had 4 cores, the platform was only designed for that, so IB will only have 4 cores.

IB-E on the other hand will (at the end of the year) be the upgrade to SB-E and will have 6 or more cores (if it works the same as SB-E, then there'll be 8 cores on the silicon but only 6 enabled for the desktop!).
 
Makes me wonder what the point of ivybridge is then for someone speccing a new build now, might as well go socket LGA2011 and stick an i73930K in it.
Surely this can't be right?

The point of Ivy Bridge is that it's a smaller core and therefore cheaper for Intel to manufacture whilst also providing them with valuable experience on their new 22nm process.
 
We have really know Ivy was really only going to be no faster then 10% "On average" on the CPU side and double at most faster on the graphics side for a long time and really no surprises here for me. The advantages is lower power use and Gen 3 PCI-E for most of us here, there are really no other benefits for enthusiasts apart from "maybe" higher overclocks with the 22nm process but it may also show it does not overclock as well as Sandy Bridge does too due to it being an immature process and maybe also more fragile when overclocking and resulting with a lot of dead chips while trying to learn its limits when overclocking such a new process, we will see of course. Ivy is nothing more then a die shrunk Sandy with new graphics core and a new process that adds some new types of transistors to the mix.

Only reason I would update to Ivy from my Sandy is because it will show Gen 3 PCI-E is worth the update and this of course depends on graphics cards in the market at that time. The power saving on a desktop is not huge for me and is only really good for laptops and the 10%-ish faster is not here or there for me.
 
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Hmm, will probably wait for Haswell tbh.

Saying that, on Q6600, thinking of upgrading in June/July when I've finished uni and have my student loan to burn off (I imagine there will be some left). That will be firmly in Ivy Bridge territory, although I guess its a pretty good upgrade from the Q6600.
 
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Been doing a bit of reading up today - is there really no 6 core ivybridge cpu?

Seems like this is a common question, Anandtech addressed this a few days ago:
Why Ivy Bridge is still Quad Core

If you're looking for an Intel processor with more than 4 cores then I'm afraid I have some more bad news for you, Haswell architecture parts will also be limited to 4 cores for mainstream parts:
Intel Haswell Info: Single Chip for Ultrabooks, GT3 GPU for Mobile, LGA-1150 for Desktop
 
Two things worth highlighting in case anyone missed it, the Intel benchies are done via an normal 2600, not a K, so has only the HD2000 graphics making their comparison a bit like AMD showing 7970 benchmarks against a 6770 to show a bigger difference.

Considering a HD3000 is anywhere from 50-100% faster than a HD2000, its pretty much a joke to compare the HD2000 with the new one, oh well.

As for Haswell, I point you to Bulldozer, and how many people like to call it a 4 core.

Just because Haswell is a "4 core", doesn't mean its can't offer ways around MASSIVE increases in speed. Its been long talked about as bringing huge performance bump to more mainstream prices.

It could also be that Haswell brings with it a "enthusiast" platform as yet not announced that offers quad channel but much cheaper 6-8 core chips.

Considering the ones they've listed so far its the same platform for mobile as desktop, and both use dual channel, just 2 more cores. I still have some hope that Haswell will have the "i3" type chip as a quad core by then, and either i5/i7 will be on quad channel mobo's with 6-8 core range from say £150-400/500, so a 6 core Haswell at roughly speaking 2500k pricing, with quad channel mobo's and the option of the 8 cores at £250ish, then the top bin 8 cores at some silly premium price.

Hell by then I wouldn't be surprised to see native 12-16 core Server chips, and that could still run along in the really enthusiast Intel line of £600-800 chips.

This is the thing, eventually you get things that are too expensive for the low end, like quad channel mobos/chips, but you get chips that are fast enough to require more than dual channel. SO you'd expect the current quad channel and more cores to filter down to new price points eventually, but still have a lower end "cheapo" platform.

Intel don't want to offer 2x16x pci-e slots and quad channel + 6 cores in the mainstream now , but when they do it would still be very expensive to push in Dell £300-600 machines which is where the real volume is.
 
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