JA: 1.5L 4pot turbo hybrid future for F1

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The rules for the 2013 engine will probably be specified later this year by the FIA and are likely to be very green and futuristic. Max Mosely wanted the formula to be based on fuel use rather than CCs. Jean Todt has indicated that he wants it to be road relevant. Either way it is likely to be a 1.5 litre four cylinder turbo or something of that kind with a big 120 KW electric hybrid motor, harvesting energy under braking.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/new-teams-latest-campos-changes-name-stefan-gp-agitating/

SERIOUSLY? 1.5L 4 pot Turbo hybrid, are you kidding me?

 

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This is worse than WRC going 1.6L Turbo

 

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Didn't they run 1.5l turbo engines back in the 70s?

Only some teams used them
There were V6, V8, V12 and I4 engines in both turbo and NA form back then.

The difference is that now we won't have any competing engine setups, everyone will be the same.

 

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Hmmmm....

So - potential for in excess of 1500bhp again...
Depends if they allow the driver to change the boost pressure or not.

Will they allow a normally aspirated variant again and bring back the Jim Clark and Colin Chapman trophies?

I can see several engine suppliers pulling out over this though.

Like? We only have Merc, Renault, Ferrari left, and Cosworth as the other choice.
Merc will stay, as will Ferrari.

What would be funny is if both refused to supple other teams other than a select few, forcing everyone else to use the useless Cosworth

 

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JRS - I think its the 4 pot part of it rather than 1.5 litre or turbo charged that most people are against!

It's both for me

I can live with 2.0 or 2.5 Turbo (like WRC had), but anything smaller is a bit "meh" for me. - though granted, this is F1, so I was hoping they'd do 3.0 or 3.5 V6/I6.

But 1.5/1.6L Turbo AND hybrid pushes it over the edge.

 

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How is it a good thing?

 

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I see the pinnacle of motorsport (F1) all about having bleeding edge technology with mainly one priority; how fast a car can get around a race track repeatedly. For me it's all about the power and aerodynamics, i.e. making them as fast as possible with no exceptions. I hate all of this green eco what not coming into motorsport. Motorsport was never about being green and should primarily be designed as a spectacle for the people.

+1 x1000000

 

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The bleeding edge of technology IS electric drive trains, IS energy recovery.

So keep the weight limit the same, but allow teams to power the vehicles however they wish provided they start with only xxx MJ of energy.
This will show what technology is superior

 

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F1 should be going faster and faster year upon year.

I want refuelling back and to have less restrictions on the engines.

F1 should be way faster, so what if there is a massive crash now and then, that is why the drivers get $millions per year.

I want to see more cars flying off into the tyre wall, more engines blowing during a race.

F1 should be nothing except a showcase of how powerful a car can be. Sod this economy and co2 stuff.

Drivers will only go as fast as they feel safe, so you can add 10000000bhp, they still won't go faster than they feel safe.

 

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Of course they would go faster. If a driver was not going as fast as he possibly could then he would be replaced very quickly.

If the drivers drove to feel 'safe' they wouldn't be doing 200mph.

Replaced by someone who feels safe enough going faster than the previous chap. End of the day, the drivers will not go faster than they deem to be an "acceptable" risk

 

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KERS didn't work last season for several reasons. 1), it was restricted too much. 2), it was restricted too much. And 3), it was restricted too bloody much. If TPTB would just open up the rulebook a little bit, then KERS would actually be a worthwhile endeavour.

It was too restricted in the what it could do department, however I disagreed with them increasing the minimum weight for it.
It should have been the same minimum car weight, and the teams that take the advantage of KERS have to make do with the penalty of extra weight above the minimum

They are paid millions of dollars a year to come 1st as 2nd place is the first loser.

Doesn't matter, they will still drive at the limit of their abilities - which means they'll only push the car so far.

 

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The problem is, with the restrictions placed on the use of KERS (what was it, about 7 seconds of boost per lap?) the weight penalty was too severe. Christ, look at the top two cars last season. Neither one ran KERS. Does that not say it all?

As I said, it should have been far less restricted but without any weight help