Jeff Bezos offers NASA $2.1bn to be reconsidered for a contract - Is this a bribe?

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NASA recently awarded a contract to Elon Musk to build a mooon landing vehicle. Jeff Bezos has now offered NASA $2.1bn to be reconsidered as a second partner. While I am very happy that we are finally making strides to visit the moon and other planets again, this comes across to me as a bribe. Bezos knows that being involved in the NASA moon programme will be potentially very lucrative long term.

So... is this an altruistic offer or a bribe?
 
Most likely. Bezos has form in this department, as he/Amazon have recently done the same with a $10bn US Military contract that was awarded to MS Azure. Bezos moaned like hell about it and so the contract is now being re-evaluated and will probably be handed to AWS instead.
 
I'd suspect its more of a "we are here if Elon screws it up and you need another supplier" statement. I really doubt he's expecting them to take it up.
 
Most likely. Bezos has form in this department, as he/Amazon have recently done the same with a $10bn US Military contract that was awarded to MS Azure. Bezos moaned like hell about it and so the contract is now being re-evaluated and will probably be handed to AWS instead.

Think the whole thing has been canned.
 
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If SpaceX can make Starship work then nothing any of the other bidders submitted came close to offering the payload. It is a big if though. I'm really hoping he does but its not been done before.

Jeff should concentrate on sorting their new engines out. Not only is it holding back his own new rocket but ULA's new rocket as well.
 
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Having a second option for the lunar lander makes good sense, the lunar starship is probably a higher programme risk than the other options. Bezo's probably expects a a second option to get picked up but doesn't want the better Dynetics design to beat him so is trying to win the battle before it's fought.
 
Musk has received billions of dollars of government subsidies, let's be honest they are all on corporate welfare and lobbying.
 
Pardon me if I have got this wrong? But not a bribe as such, they just turned around to NASA and said ignore our earlier bid we will now do it for X amount cheaper?
 
Pardon me if I have got this wrong? But not a bribe as such, they just turned around to NASA and said ignore our earlier bid we will now do it for X amount cheaper?
You don't think a $2bn discount off a $2.9bn project is a bit fishy?
 
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Plot twist... Bezos moon shot gets taken out by a random Tesla some muppet launched into space :D
 
Can you be more specific?

The examples are just too numerous to cite them all but here's a few, and this is from a few years ago.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

The federal government also provides grants or tax credits to cover 30% of the cost of solar installations. SolarCity reported receiving $497.5 million in direct grants from the Treasury Department.

That figure, however, doesn’t capture the full value of the government’s support.

Since 2006, SolarCity has installed systems for 217,595 customers, according to a corporate filing. If each paid the current average price for a residential system — about $23,000, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists — the cost to the government would total about $1.5 billion, which would include the Treasury grants paid to SolarCity.

Nevada has agreed to provide Tesla with $1.3 billion in incentives to help build a massive battery factory near Reno.

Late in 2013, Tesla summoned economic development officials from seven states to its auto factory in Fremont, Calif. After a tour, they gathered in a conference room, where Tesla executives explained their plan to build the biggest lithium-ion battery factory in the world — then asked the states to bid for the project.

Nevada at first offered its standard package of incentives, in this case worth $600 million to $700 million, said Steve Hill, Nevada’s executive director of the Governor’s Office of Economic Development.


Tesla negotiators wanted far more. The automaker at first sought a $500-million upfront payment, among other enticements, Hill said. Nevada pushed back, in sometimes tense talks punctuated by raised voices.

“It would have amounted to Nevada writing a series of checks during the first couple of years,” said Hill, calling it an unacceptable risk.

With the deal imperiled, Hill flew to Palo Alto in August to meet with Tesla’s business development chief, Diarmuid O’Connell, a former State Department official who is the automaker’s lead negotiator.

They shored up the deal with an agreement to give Tesla $195 million in transferable tax credits, which the automaker could sell for upfront cash. To make room in its budget, Nevada reduced incentives for filming in the state and killed a tax break for insurance companies.

SpaceX, though it depends far more on government contracts than subsidies, received an incentive package in Texas for a commercial rocket launch facility. The state put up more than $15 million in subsidies and infrastructure spending to help SpaceX build a launch pad in rural Cameron County at the southern tip of Texas. Local governments contributed an additional $5 million.


Included in the local subsidies is a 15-year property tax break from the local school district worth $3.1 million to SpaceX. Officials say the development still will bring in about $5 million more over that period than the local school district otherwise would have collected.

https://newrepublic.com/article/160500/elon-musks-big-government-grift

But Musk’s entire enterprise is so gilded in arrogance and hype that one might miss the serious underlying problems, such as the numerous worker safety complaints at Tesla’s Fremont factory, where workers were also pressured to work during quarantine conditions. It’s also possible that Tesla is not nearly as profitable as it seems. In the third quarter of 2020, Tesla reported a $331 million profit, but the company also sold $397 million in energy credits during that period—another clever loophole for Musk, who, if nothing else, knows where to find free money.
 
Has Blue Origin gotten into orbit yet? SpaceX has a crew module taxit to the ISS, proven launchers putting commercial stuff in space. I can't see why they would go for Bezos over Musk
 
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