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So, I don't really want to give too much away here for varying reasons but I'll do my best.

I'm currently in the Army and my job is working in IT. I don't like the job, because it doesn't challenge me enough. Also, in my cap badge, you don't get promoted for being good at your job, but you get promoted for winning popularity contests and doing 'green' Army stuff outside of work time, which I no longer have any interest in. I've been wanting to leave for around 5 years now, but I was biding my time till my 11 year point, which has now been and gone. The reason for waiting for the 11 year point is that the notice period is 1 year, and after the 12 year point I'd be entitled to a £10k lump sum. However as my 11 year point approached, the SDSR was announced, which threw a spanner into the works.

Due to my rank and years of service, if I were made redundant, I'd be given roughly £65k (£55k payoff, plus £10k for 12 years of service). Obviously this is a lot of money to wait around while staying in a secure job, so I decided to wait for the tranches to come and hope my rank and trade group be selected. Two tranches have been and gone, with another coming at the end of this year. So far, no 'luck' in being on the list, and there's no guarantee I will be at the end of the year, although it looks increasingly likely as everyone around my trade group and rank have thus far been selected.

So I was quite content being in a job I don't enjoy all that much, being paid a relatively decent wage with no immediate worry about being laid off. But then someone I worked with on operations a few years ago sends me a message on Facebook asking for my CV as he's looking for new people. He's the infrastructure manager for a large multinational company and he needs a new head of IT support for UK & NI (in a technical role and not managerial). Things started moving very fast and before I knew it, I was having an interview and I'm now at the stage where I'm having to seriously consider my options as the job looks good, it is challenging and I think I may end up getting offered it. Eek. :eek:

It pays around £11k more a year than what I'm on now, and it's a company I'd love to work for and it will allow me to build on my current knowledge. There are also promotion opportunities within the company if I'm good at the job. I know you're thinking about the notice period, so here's the final 'issue'. I can be released within 30 days, but I would forfeit my £10k lump sum, and of course, the outside chance of £65k through redundancy.

So here is my situation, what would you do? Stay in a job you're not overly happy with for the slim chance of netting £65k (tax free) in 12 months or so, or jump ship into a job that looks good, pays more and has better prospects?
 
I would wait to be honest, 65k is a lot of money and getting a job in IT at the moment is not as bad as it seems there are still a lot of infrastructure jobs out there...

Stelly
 
although, as stelly mentioned, 65K is a lot of money to most people, how useful would it be to you, ie would it pay off what's left on a house, compared to getting into a job you sound like you'd enjoy and have better prospects at.
 
although, as stelly mentioned, 65K is a lot of money to most people, how useful would it be to you, ie would it pay off what's left on a house, compared to getting into a job you sound like you'd enjoy and have better prospects at.

Most of it would be used as a house deposit as I don't have any debt.
 
Most of it would be used as a house deposit as I don't have any debt.

I would definately wait then, honestly the IT sector is not too bad at the moment, I have been looking and offered a couple of jobs that I have turned down, my mate just came out of the Army and is now working after a month out...

Stelly
 
Most of it would be used as a house deposit as I don't have any debt.

I'm sure you noticed but your finantual situation is not simple

take a job being paid 11k more, or wait 12months take 65k and look for a job..

if you buy half a house in 12 months your living expences will be much lower than leaving tomorrow and taking the 11k extra job...

if the new job gets you 8k take home extra a year, possibly 4k of that will be lost becase you pay more mortgage (or worst case rent)

also it is typical for a large company not to give out large pay rises to IT staff (obviously there are exceptions)

Probably a good idea to fire up excel and put some figures in... waiting a year for 65k may put you 10years ahead money wise.....
 
I'm sure you noticed but your finantual situation is not simple

take a job being paid 11k more, or wait 12months take 65k and look for a job..

if you buy half a house in 12 months your living expences will be much lower than leaving tomorrow and taking the 11k extra job...

if the new job gets you 8k take home extra a year, possibly 4k of that will be lost becase you pay more mortgage (or worst case rent)

also it is typical for a large company not to give out large pay rises to IT staff (obviously there are exceptions)

Probably a good idea to fire up excel and put some figures in... waiting a year for 65k may put you 10years ahead money wise.....

Yeah I know, but thing is that I'm not guaranteed that £65k at all. First off, my trade and rank have to be in the fields, then if they are they will ask for applicants and non-applicants. Application doesn't mean you'll get it, as trust me, there's a lot of people in my rank with similar years of service that want it.

The next step up in the company is another £10k on top of what I'll get, that's minimum. My mate who I mentioned in the OP, he's on £35k more than my potential salary, and he loves the job and company. He's looking into moving into banking in a year or so to expand his CV.

The most important thing for me if anything, is that it's a vital stepping stone into the commercial world. I hold security clearance so in a year or so I could even move into contracting which opens up another can of worms as daily rates are lucrative.

The problem I have is that everything is hypothetical, a job offer is not. Which I actually don't have yet! :p
 
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Tough one. if £65k was guaranteed, I'd wait for that. However, if it's not, i'd take the job. Sorry I can't be much help.. I don't really know how the army works.
 
But then on the flip side, if I take the job (subject to an offer) and I find out I could have got the £65k, I'd be kicking myself!
 
But then on the flip side, if I take the job (subject to an offer) and I find out I could have got the £65k, I'd be kicking myself!

But if you'd have hung on who is to say things would have worked out the same way? :)

It's a tough one really and only you can weigh up the pros and cons and know how much they mean to you.

About a year ago I did something not a million miles away from your situation, was offered redundancy in a company that was shutting down.

Options were take the package offered then and move to a new job I had lined up, or stay on and get a better package when the place finally shut down 12 months or so later but not have a job lined up. I am on my third position since leaving as after the initial new job after redundancy and the work I'd been doing there I started getting head hunted which has helped progress nicely, should be here for a while now :)

Difference in money was probably about 10k if I'd have waited that year, but at the time I decided that taking what I'd been offered with a job already lined up to move to was a good position to be in so did it.

Looking back it's the best thing I could have done, yeah I'd have got a bigger payout but the work I've done in those 12 months has set me up nicely job wise and doubt I'd be in the job I am now if I'd have stayed there that extra 12 months.

Sounds to be like the new career path potentially on offer would be good, assuming decent company and people it could also set things up nicely for the future. But then so could 65k in the bank ;)
 
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Thanks. Honestly, I do feel that I'm 'marking time' in my current role. There really isn't a lot to do and all of our hardware/software is out of date (2K3, Solaris 8, forced to use LAPB for WAN links etc etc) so it would be nice to work with brand new kit!
 
I'd take the other job. Sure 65k is a lot of money - once taxed becomes less (any amount over 30k) and means you'll be wasting another year not getting promoted, furthering your knowledge etc etc. 11k a year increase is not to be sniffed at - sure tax comes into this too but in 3 years that could be 20k, 30k more than you're currently on etc depending on the new role's prospects.
 
That was another thing, my original role was pretty much down to a small amount of housekeeping.

All projects had been pulled, and whilst work would have actually ramped up near the end transferring everything out to all the other gov departments who were taking up the work we were stopping it still wouldn't have been much fun.

I'd probably say if I were in your shoes and I knew that within 12 months I'd be gone one way or another I'd probably be taking the job now if it was a good offer, but would depend on if I could glean any insight into if the redundancy would be coming my way.

I knew that if I'd have stayed on there was some sort of sweetener for staff at the end, which turned out to be an extra 3 months pay (taxed though) on top of the redundancy money (which in itself would have gone up by about 3k and be untaxed).

Tough choice, but try not to think of it as losing 65k as you've not got it to lose, yet!
 
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sometimes its not about the money but about if you enjoy what you do

it is obvious that your bored and unhappy with your current job (i would be too in the army tbh)
 
My gut reaction is take the job as it's there now and another one might not be...then what happens if the £65k doesn't come and you have to take a job for less that you don't like?
 
That's what I'm thinking. I'm going to wait to see how it pans out with regards to a job offer.

thats the best bet, if you get offered it then it would make sense to take it in your situation.

a) your not guarenteed the 65k
b) got someone you know in there who recommends the company as decent to work with.
c) you say its a company you'd love to work for, that sort of opportunity is rare in my experience.

as a thought, and no offence meant, but do you know the person well enough to trust his opinion(s) ?
 
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That really is a tough one.

Is there any chance this job won't turn out as you expect? Is there any chance you won't get made 'permanent' or is it pretty much a done deal in your opinion? How does your mate benefit from recommending you the job, aside from not paying head hunters etc? These are the questions I would be asking myself I suppose.

+11k doesn't sound enough to lose your (potential) benefits for, is my immediate thought, especially as you've probably got free housing atm? There's that 11k wiped out instantly.

I'm going to postulate that your reputation and contacts are such that this probably won't be the only opportunity you get either?

So unless I am talking absolute shollens, you've got to more or less hate where you are now to move.


Best of luck though :D
 
giving up 10k lump sum in return for 11k extra a year, promotional prospects and being able to leave a job you're not keen on doesn't seem to bad

the 65k redundancy package ought to be dismissed if its a complete long shot, if not then maybe stick around but I don't think the previous decision of waiting around for 5 years for an extra 10k was really worth it
 
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