Soldato
I always join the motorway at 120mph
Joining/Leaving the Motorway
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But they have the right to do so. They are not the ones that have to give way. If they are being ***** about it, then that's on them. It is annoying, but at least it isn't sheer dangerous, like the people who don't seem to even look, and just try and merge regardless of the consequences.
Pretty much this. Lane 1 is basically in the right, almost regardless of anything else (within reason). It's the person joining who has the responsibility to do it as safely as they can. If that means they have to lamp on the brakes because they have only just realised they are a blind idiot, then so be it.
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My Friday afternoon brain cannot even compute how those are supposed to work..
And there lies the problem.
Why is there "No Possible Gap"??
If L1 traffic made a point of leaving reasonable gaps (Say 3 seconds minimum) between vehicles on approaching on-slips for joining traffic to merge into instead of just going at it bumper to bumper, most of these issues would go away...
(It is a bit like the "Zip Merge" thing really)
Perhaps I wasn't particularly clear. The issue isn't really the space between vehicles. It's the speed of the traffic joining vs the speed of the traffic currently on the dual carriageway/motorway. By gap I more mean people trying to join at 30 mph when everyone else is doing a lot more than that. There isn't space for that, people need to choose their spot and move into it, rather than trying to force their way in at the wrong speed. If you joined at 120 mph it wouldn't be a problem. A lot of people adopt the come down the slip road at 30-40 then accelerate in, when in most vehicles that isn't reasonable. In my own car I look to come down around 60-65, so I can slow behind a truck easily or accelerate in front of one. What happens very often to me is I'm doing 56 mph and a car is matching my speed coming down the slip road, all the way to the end. When you come down and check your mirrors you've got that split second to decide to go in front or behind. Either is fine, just make your mind up! I'm not going to slow down to let you on if you sit beside me at 56.
Really? They all look pretty obvious to me.
First one isn't a two way slip road? Slip road starts after the junction. Second one is easy, after the tree line there's loads of vision onto the carriageway before you join. As for the third one..heh..petrol station ones are always crap.
I mostly do this, why should i move if there is ample space in-front and behind for you to join. Your poor judgement of speed that's led you to be alongside.
I do it not to be annoying but because i mostly hate commuter driving so get in that lane few car lengths behind a truck and stick the cruise onto match them.
Soldato
They teach a 2 second gap. If there is a space big enough for a car you should take it and people will adjust. The problem is students are often taught they need to have 2s gap front and back or else they are too close to the car in front or cutting up the car behind. They really should just teach getting up to speed and taking the gap with minor adjustments not is the gap absolutely huge if not just slam the brakes on.
If I'm in the lorry I'm not diving wildly into lane 2 for anybody. The junction on a slip road is a give way and if they want to pull out at an unreasonable speed into my path it's on them if we have a collision, I'll only adjust speed accordingly where reasonable. If I dive into lane 2 to avoid a cretin merging slowly then that's on my head if I take someone out with the trailer.
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You know its possible to change lanes without 'diving'.
Yes, of course. I was referring to Kaeo's comments about swerving into lane 2, changing lanes to aid traffic flow is common sense especially if there's a steady stream of traffic coming down the slip but when it comes to swerving/diving into another lane - not happening.
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Slip roads are annoying when people don't give you a space to filter into. Probably the same people who are merge in turn warriors.
This thread has reminded me of my most hated slip roads / junction which are on the dual carriageway that runs through Coventry centre.
Short - check
Obstructed view due to concrete barriers - check
Traffic joining and leaving on the same short slip - check
Always sodding busy - check
Same sort of thing in Birmingham as well apart from it being a 30 limit and everyone does 50 - 60
Short - check
Obstructed view due to concrete barriers - check
Traffic joining and leaving on the same short slip - check
Always sodding busy - check
Same sort of thing in Birmingham as well apart from it being a 30 limit and everyone does 50 - 60
Yeh its not a job I could do. What is wrong with you truck drivers
15 hour days - check
massive vehicle, most of which you cant see - check
8/9 hours actual on road time dealing with all manner of idiots that comes with that - check
hated by most of the population simply because they don't understand the necessity of trucks - check
56mph max sleepfest everywhere - check
Every driver on road assuming you are an ***hat because they were once cut-up by a truck (probably their own fault anyway) - check
no, no, no and more no.
I work in transport and have many times told people I never want to drive a truck and most of the time they look surprised and say "why not ?"
see above please.
I have a HGV license, I am part of the driving population that hates truck drivers.
There are far too many of them that are stupid, ignorant and dangerous for them as a whole to be branded as misunderstood knights of road.
Can't say I agree with that. I find the idiots are in a minority and most HGV drivers are actually quite sensible.
Cyclists OTOH! Those who actually obey the rules of the road and don't ride like they own it are in the minority in my experience. (Yes I have a bike).
Despite the mouth-frothing that cyclists cause on most motoring forums, I find them to be the least obstructive and generally most courteous road users. Which kind of proves the point that anecdotes about the abilities or characteristics of groups of road users as a whole, are worthless.
As a biker car driver hgv driver and soon to be bus driver I would say car drivers are usually the most ignorant and least capable as a group due to the lack of reiterated training. Especially from people that passed 30+ years ago and have been driving incorrectly the whole time. Of course everyone is different, just my experience.