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Joeoh

Joeoh

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Why weren’t the 2060/2070/2080 released as the supers in the first place?
I am well miffed to have my cards re-released as a better card on a marketing whim!
 
Joeoh said:
Why weren’t the 2060/2070/2080 released as the supers in the first place?
I am well miffed to have my cards re-released as a better card on a marketing whim!
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Probably a couple of reasons. Firstly they have something to try to spoil Navi with (which didn't work) and secondly so they can get some people to upgrade twice. Basically they used their customers.

Welcome to the forum.
 
Joeoh said:
Why weren’t the 2060/2070/2080 released as the supers in the first place?
I am well miffed to have my cards re-released as a better card on a marketing whim!
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Yep. Similarly to Pascal, but there after the release of the 1080ti, Nvidia only upgraded the VRAM from 10Gbps to 11Gbps to the 2016 models.
 
Thanks

I suppose there’s always a better card just around the corner, but this Super business seems especially cynical.
 
Joeoh said:
Why weren’t the 2060/2070/2080 released as the supers in the first place?
I am well miffed to have my cards re-released as a better card on a marketing whim!
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Because the majority of Pc gamers and enthusiasts just look at the fps and the price, they don't have a technical understanding of what a fully enabled die is or the understanding of how Nvidia marketed their mid range chips as High end even though it shares the same line as their laptop chips.
Nvidia know this and so can sell their hobbled Quadro chips as Desktop/laptop chips at an even greater profit, then as the market demand/ price starts to decline roughly a year later release the
fully enabled dies as a 'REFRESH''

Just Greed
 
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Waiting for D.P. to come in with an involved explanation which ultimately leads to defending nvidia :p
 
From a customer loyalty perspective it does seem that nVidia shot themselves in the foot by doing this.
 
Hades said:
From a customer loyalty perspective it does seem that nVidia shot themselves in the foot by doing this.
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Depends how much money they made. People will still buy from them, people will always buy from them no matter what. They know this.
 
Zernath said:
Depends how much money they made. People will still buy from them, people will always buy from them no matter what. They know this.
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Yes but only when they make the best GPU's. The indication from Navi is that AMD are a real threat now.
 
Hades said:
From a customer loyalty perspective it does seem that nVidia shot themselves in the foot by doing this.
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I don't mind to be honest, being an early buyer of the 2080 FE at £749. It's good to see some extra performance at a lower price point now. As for the reason "why now?", it's probably a combination of things - some of the negatives already mentioned but also maybe the manufacturing process is maturing, reducing costs and/or allowing for more cores....maybe :p.
 
DarrenM343 said:
I don't mind to be honest, being an early buyer of the 2080 FE at £749. It's good to see some extra performance at a lower price point now. As for the reason "why now?", it's probably a combination of things - some of the negatives already mentioned but also maybe the manufacturing process is maturing, reducing costs and/or allowing for more cores....maybe :p.
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Not at all. It’s because of Navi. If AMD hadn’t released their cards would we have the Super editions? Of course not. And no price cuts either from Intel thanks to Ryzen 2 launch. Competition is good and it works. Otherwise we get almost what we had a few years ago when AMD were on the decline. Poor product at high prices.
 
But it's not competition alone. It's mostly what the market can bare. If no one buys a newly released product then the company has to consider lowering the price to attract consumers. Not look for a competitor to offer an alternative.

In this case though, because of Nvidia's history, it was bound to happen. IMHO, their yields improved and they were able to re-release their product stack. The time it took for them to plan this for AMD's launch after having released skus 1st just doesn't add up to me. Now the question is why have they waited so long to showcase the 2080 Super? From the ramblings on the web it still falls short of the ti.
 
EastCoastHandle said:
But it's not competition alone. It's mostly what the market can bare. If no one buys a newly released product then the company has to consider lowering the price to attract consumers. Not look for a competitor to offer an alternative.

In this case though, because of Nvidia's history, it was bound to happen. IMHO, their yields improved and they were able to re-release their product stack. The time it took for them to plan this for AMD's launch after having released skus 1st just doesn't add up to me. Now the question is why have they waited so long to showcase the 2080 Super? From the ramblings on the web it still falls short of the ti.
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It falls way short, hardly an improvement over the base model. No reason for it to exist really.
 
I couldn't care less because as soon as OC gets stock of a 2080 super it's mine!:D I do feel for the people who purchased a RTX 2060/70/80! I just got lucky choosing to upgrade now instead of last year.
 
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