Just had an accident

[TW]Fox · 3 Nov 2006 at 21:01

Demon said:
ROFL again.. stop it..

An obstruction is considered static, very different from an oncoming car.. but you know that???

something that obstructs, blocks, or closes up with an obstacle or obstacles; obstacle or hindrance:

No mention of it being static, you know what I meant, lets not get into a grammar war.

and "If it was indeed on his side of the road".. I think that's why he had to swerve.. so yes, it must have been 'indeed' on his side of the road, unless you can offer some proof that it wasn't?

There is no proof whether it was or not, although again, look at the pictures - you can see how wide the road isn't by the fact positioning of the lorry. When a road is that sort of width you don't really have a side of the road as the road isn't wide enough for two cars to pass with ease.. you have to proceed with caution and move in to let the other guy past. Or steam through at 40mph into a ditch.

Well to my eyes, the bend looks fairly normal.. I think most people would class a 'tight' bend as something with a much smaller radius.

I would personally class a tight bend as one where by it is sufficiently tight that noticing something blocking the road, such as an uncoming car is not possible until the only avoiding action is rolling into a ditch

Hmm..

Indeed

Will Gill · 3 Nov 2006 at 21:22

popcorn subscription ordered

Entai · 3 Nov 2006 at 21:41

Will Gill said:
popcorn subscription ordered

I had to go out and get some more, glad I didn't miss anything while I was gone.

Ok guys you may continue now

Bri · 3 Nov 2006 at 22:33

[TW]Fox said:
There is no proof whether it was or not, although again, look at the pictures - you can see how wide the road isn't by the fact positioning of the lorry. When a road is that sort of width you don't really have a side of the road as the road isn't wide enough for two cars to pass with ease.. you have to proceed with caution and move in to let the other guy past. Or steam through at 40mph into a ditch.

That's assuming that the lorry is fully on its own side of the road. As you can't see the other side of the road, how can you be 100% confident of this?

[TW]Fox · 3 Nov 2006 at 22:34

Bri said:
That's assuming that the lorry is fully on its own side of the road. As you can't see the other side of the road, how can you be 100% confident of this?

Becuase Phate told us somewhere else in this thread. Initially someone thought the lorry was far over becuase of an obstruction, Phate said no, thats just how the road is.

Bri · 3 Nov 2006 at 22:37

[TW]Fox said:
Becuase Phate told us somewhere else in this thread. Initially someone thought the lorry was far over becuase of an obstruction, Phate said no, thats just how the road is.

Ahh, fair do's, must have missed that bit, blame the Magners

Unless the lorry is 15' wide...... :eek:

I'll stop being silly now.

As Phate is probably the only person familiar wit this road, how wide is it? Is it well wide enough for 2 cars to pass at speed, or are we taliking clipping wing mirrors / passing spots only?

Demon · 3 Nov 2006 at 22:57

Entai said:
I had to go out and get some more, glad I didn't miss anything while I was gone.

Ok guys you may continue now

LOL

wez130 · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:20

oh dear, i see the armchair detectives are out again :rolleyes:

In the moments leading up to a crash, you have critical milliseconds to make a decision, as well as trying to think what you should do in those milliseconds, you also begin to panic, even an experienced driver can **** up given that they have never been in an accident before and wouldn't know the difference between how they think they would react, and how they actually would react. I know if i saw a car coming towards me (maybe the other car was doing 60mph in a long bend hence he went into other lane giving phate less chance to react) my probable first reaction would be to swerve out of the way, now, in those critical milliseconds, i'm not likely to be checking wether there is a ditch down there, my only care is to get out of the other drivers way, now this is what i 'think' i would do, however, my actual reaction may be completely different given that i've had tme to think about that reaction.

Have you ever been in a situation where you have split seconds to avoid an accident fox?

[TW]Fox · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:22

Yes, I have, and it was probably just luck which avoided it.

But like I KEEP SAYING - I am NOT criticising him for the accident. Simply the fact he doesn't really seem prepared to do anything but say oh well it was the other guys fault and not learn from it.

Firestar_3x · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:29

wez130 said:
oh dear, i see the armchair detectives are out again

In the moments leading up to a crash, you have critical milliseconds to make a decision,

Thats true you have split seconds to make decisions, but given his previous desision making skills i wager a bet he made the wrong one....

Phate · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:30

Bri said:
As Phate is probably the only person familiar wit this road, how wide is it? Is it well wide enough for 2 cars to pass at speed, or are we taliking clipping wing mirrors / passing spots only?

just got in from a night out to read all this comotion thats going on. i'm not going to comment on any of it.

if you really are all that desperate to see how wide the road is i could get a lift with someone using a video camera tomorrow and show you all. but it all depends on how much you want to duke it out.

wez130 · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:31

[TW]Fox said:
Yes, I have, and it was probably just luck which avoided it.

But like I KEEP SAYING - I am NOT criticising him for the accident. Simply the fact he doesn't really seem prepared to do anything but say oh well it was the other guys fault and not learn from it.

i may be stupid, but it may just have been other guys fault, i'm not sticking up for him, but sometimes, just sometimes, it can be other peoples fault, the only fault of phate is not knowing what to do in said situation, and like i said, even experienced drivers can be very inexperienced when it comes down to making the correct decision in situations like this.

TerryWogan · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:32

Firestar_3x said:
Thats true you have split seconds to make decisions, but given his previous desision making skills i wager a bet he made the wrong one....

Haha I was gonna say exactly that earlier today but I felt it a little harsh.

[TW]Fox · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:33

wez130 said:
i may be stupid, but it may just have been other guys fault, i'm not sticking up for him, but sometimes, just sometimes, it can be other peoples fault, the only fault of phate is not knowing what to do in said situation, and like i said, even experienced drivers can be very inexperienced when it comes down to making the correct decision in situations like this.

I 100% agree with what you have just said. Even experienced drivers can learn something from a situation like this. Which makes it even more annoying that Phate isn't - he has said he wouldnt do anything different next time, he has learnt nothing from the entire experience and this, not the fact the crash happened, is my beef.

Firestar_3x · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:34

The only parts i've read that stick out in my mind is something about a Wide car...

Was it american or something?

Anyways if he thinks is was the other guys fault then he should report him to the police, even if he doesn't know who it is, if he doesn't report it then that only tells me one thing.........

Phate · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:34

[TW]Fox said:
Simply the fact he doesn't really seem prepared to do anything but say oh well it was the other guys fault and not learn from it.

it was an accident dude. nobody meant for it to happen. i really couldn't care less right now whether i learned anything from it.

I'm mainly glad that me and my friend WALKED away from it. surely thats the main thing to be concerned about here?

my friend is really shaken up about it all. I'm just glad he's at home shaken up than in ICU

wez130 · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:35

maybe it was his only choice given the width of the bend, i know which i'd choose given a choice of hitting oncoming car or ditching it.

Phate · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:37

Firestar_3x said:
The only parts i've read that stick out in my mind is something about a Wide car...

Was it american or something?

Anyways if he thinks is was the other guys fault then he should report him to the police, even if he doesn't know who it is, if he doesn't report it then that only tells me one thing.........

i didn't say the car was wide. i said it came wide around the corner, and i don't even no what car it was. i saw it for about a second. if that...it was red, does that count?

and the police do know about it. its all been reported etc.

[TW]Fox · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:37

Phate said:
i really couldn't care less right now whether i learned anything from it.

wez130 · 3 Nov 2006 at 23:38

Firestar_3x said:
The only parts i've read that stick out in my mind is something about a Wide car...

Was it american or something?

Anyways if he thinks is was the other guys fault then he should report him to the police, even if he doesn't know who it is, if he doesn't report it then that only tells me one thing.........

probs meant the car was wide as in position on road, and what exactly could he tell police

"hi, i just been forced off road and totalled my car"

"ok, did you get plate / make / model of car?"

"ummm, no, i never had time to write those details down before i came to rest down the ditch"