Kakao Stats and Sub-teams...

[Joe42]

I'm back from my little assignment-writing hiatus... anything interesting happen while i was away?


I found out some interesting things about subteams recently. I believe seti/boinc has them, and although you can have many users folding under one name in folding, it doesn't actually support subteams so the multiple individual users folding under the one name can't see individual stats.

There's a stats site, which does pretty much everything EOC does, called Kakao stats, however unlike EOC it seems to support subteams.
Apparently to define a subteam you must put its name in brackets, and then put a username after it.

Alliance francophone have lots of subteams, which you can see here. Their biggest subteam, [inpact] is here.

I read somewhere that stanford does support subteams, but i'm not sure about that. It doesn't really matter though, because as long as this Kakao stats place supports it we can view subteams properly.


So how about an OcUK subteam?
I've always thought it would be nice to have one for the users who can't really compete with the high output people, or who just don't want to fold on their own. On a team like ours with such a high average ppd per user, it can be hard for the users with lesser outputs to gain traction, and this causes demoralisation and generally makes the whole thing less fun.

I was thinking of something along the lines of [OcUK-Gangsters] or something for a general 'subteam for the masses' which lots of the smaller users can join.

We could probably also have one for the ps3 people perhaps...

What do ya think?

 

[Joe42]

I had thought about a site where people could add their existing names to lists to be included in subteam stats - however I don't have the time or the knowledge for something like that (just thought it would be a great idea for team races etc)

Our own stats site?

My summer project is to get a webserver going and make a webpage, now that i'm able to.

Unfortunately i haven't yet embarked on the database part of my degree, so it'll take some time before i could do the database type stuff you'd need for stats and whatnot.
Subteam stats sounds good... would you include it in the news or nominate a team leader to do a separate news post or what?

Also, once i learn how to, i'd like to have a crack at making something to do the weekly news for you... it ought to be fairly doable to get something to just crunch the numbers and make the lists.



I'm going to move my opty over to the small producers subteam to get things going, but first we need a name...

The team is going to be people with lower outputs or first time folders, it needs to be hard to misspell, and reflect the sort of people in it... any suggestions?

As i said, i was thinking [ocuk_gangsters] but that doesn't really represent the people in it...

Edit: How about three subteams, one for each avatar? People wouldn't have to have that avatar to join or anything, it just represents the production levels, in a low, medium, high kind of way. Is it better to stick with one do you think?
[ocuk-gangsters], [ocuk-hitmen], [ocuk-wise_guys]

 

[Joe42]

It's probably best to let people group together themselves, unless you're planning on starting one for yourself which other people could join.

Once people know that the provision is there for sub-teams I'm sure it won't be long till they find eachother.

Just imo here

I was planning on starting one and then making a joining up thread, but only because no-one knows about subteams. I'd also like to have a co-ordinated effort, rather than a mess of subteams with two or three people in each. The reason this thread is here is to see what people would like for a name, and anyone else is welcome to organise it, but i do think someone needs to. Obviously there'll probably be plenty more subteams made in future but i think an 'official' one for the smaller producers would be a good start.


Personally i'll be staying on my own as a user, because once i get myself sorted in a few months time i'll be able to compete quite nicely with the big boys.
Having said that, with my current production i'm not moving anywhere, i'll be in this cell forever according to eoc unless my production changes, so i'd like to join the subteam for a bit...

Edit: Also an official subteam will start things off nicely by making people aware of the subteam feature i think.

 

[Joe42]

I know enough PHP and SQL to be able to knock something up [probably ].

I was planning on making a stats page for the competition but since that seemed to vanish I didn't look into it. I am happy to give it a go and see what happens

The competition isn't dead yet.
I plan to revive it at some point after my exams, and we'll probably want to run it during the summer when everyone is off school. The subteams will make it work much better actually, as we can have subteam categories.

When i get my webserver up in a few months time i'll be happy to host a folding stats page. Indeed i'd be happy to write the main page bit if you could do the content. Maybe knock up a basic page with all the content and then after my exams i'll make a fancy page for it.

I remembered a team name i thought of a week or so ago when i was first thinking about this. [OcUK_Syndicate_of_Gangsters]
What do ya reckon?

 

[Joe42]

Team Chip Shop Curry Flavour = The rest

Too long

[very small cough] Ahem [/very small cough]


Edit: Ohh btw, whats ubuntu 7 like? Any major improvements over 6 that are worth mentioning, or is it just incremental stuff?

 

[Joe42]

from what I've heard: If it ain't broke....


There's better support for wireless connections apparently as well as support for some newer chipsets - nothing overly exciting that I've heard anyway

Incremental stuff then really, nothing revolutionary.
I just saw SB saying he was installing it in another thread so i thought i might aswell ask.

I was playing around with it the other day and i need to install some java jdk thing to get Aptana to work. Its not in the package manager and its not an executable file, which presumably means you're dumped back at the command line... sadly it seems even with ubuntu, it still hasn't got a complete gui. I was hoping they might have finally got rid of this command line rubbish in v7 but alas, it seems even with dell starting to ship it they haven't.

I don't understand how its taking so long for someone to actually write a proper gui for it and then remove the command line... how hard can it be to map buttons to every command line option? Or do they not realise that we don't use command lines anymore, and the 99.9% of users who linux needs to appeal to will not use a command line. Its so sad to see an OS with such potential getting almost nowhere because of such a simple thing.

Loving the curry-themed teams, though I still reckon you leave it to people who are going to be giving their credit to the subteam to decide

Problem is most of them have got bored and/or are only casual folders so don't post in here. Its a catch 22.

I only went with the gangster stuff because we're in a gangster themed forum. It can be anything though i suppose. Perhaps something like ocuk stompers?

Not sure if multiple subteams for this user group is a good idea, people with 2,000ppd+ don't need a subteam, they can compete fine within the team as a single entity... the idea was just for a subteam for people with low outputs who can't get into the top 100 or make any progress up it.

 

[Joe42]

The command line is an absolutely integral part of Linux and there is no way anyone could successfully map all the possible commands to buttons. Even if they did it would take years and probably wouldn't work properly. Anything that can be done in the GUI can be done at the command line. It isn't hard to learn either.

Besides, even in Windows a lot of people use the command line. No where near as powerful as that of Linux but it gets used a fair bit.

The only thing that needs doing is making installing software easier for normal people as that can be a pain. However Ubuntu 7 has made things a tad easier as it tells you what packages might be missing if you try to run something that requires it. It even tells you the full command to put in

Along with better Wifi support it also has better graphics support so less fiddling about. And the whole OS is generally more refined, secure, up to date etc etc etc. So basically get it installed!

As long as Linux has primary functions requiring users to use a command line it will be confined to that 0.1% of the userbase who are enthusiasts who are prepared to use a command line.
Normal users do not and will not use a command line, ever, end of.

I want to see linux wipe out windows, but it will not do that as long as any of its primary functions require a command line.
Yes, a command line is useful, but for enthusiasts only. There are hundreds of distros with command lines, all of them in fact. All we need is one without it and it'll take off.

Next time you do any processing, try doing every job via the menus: No shortcut keys, and no toolbar icons. Menus all the way. You'll find you slow to a crawl, as every task suddenly demands a multitude of keystrokes/mouseclicks.

So the 99.9% of potential linux users should be barred from using it so that 0.1% can do their processing?

Making software "user-friendly" in this fashion is like putting training wheels on a bicycle: It lets you get up & running immediately, without any skill or experience needed. It's perfect for a beginner. But nobody out there thinks that all bicycles should be sold with training wheels: If you were given such a bicycle today, I'll wager the first thing you'd do is remove them for being unnecessary encumbrances: Once you know how to ride a bike, training wheels are unnecessary.

How many people could learn to ride a bike without training wheels? If there were two types of bike, one with training wheels which could be removed later (windows) and one without training wheels (linux), which would be most popular?
The one with training wheels, because only a tiny minority if people could learn to ride a bike without them.

And in the same way, a great deal of Linux software is designed without "training wheels" - it's designed for users who already have some basic skills in place. After all, nobody's a permanent novice: Ignorance is short-lived, and knowledge is forever. So the software is designed with the majority in mind.

What planet is the author of that on?

They have a fundamental problem. They do not realise that 99.9% of users (ie 'the majority') will never ever use a command line, full stop. They won't learn it you give them a manual, they won't learn it if you give them a half assed gui to try and break them into it. If windows and osx had never existed, pcs wouldn't exist either. The only computers around would be in specialist scientific labs.

Normal human beings do not use command lines, in the same way that the earth is not flat. Its a simple and fundamental fact, you cannot change it.

As long as linux requires the use of a command line to operate any of its major functions it will remain confined to the 0.1% of users who are enthusiasts, and as long as the developers think they can force mainstream users to use a command line linux has a very very very bleak future.