keep 1070ti or replace it?

[SilentGameTestR]

Hello, just joined.

I have recently built myself a couple of old ryzen systems(1600 & 2600) for gaming tests with various graphic cards for more recent(ish) games and ive been using older ones with a 1070ti as the newest, but also best so far. While i was building these systems i thought i would build myself an actual system as my personal and with sales on the other week i picked up a ryzen 5900x. i dont need a 12 core and was originally looking at the 5800x, but i was buying stuff through Barclays finance, so i thought why not, however because i wanted/needed other things non computer related, i only purchased the processor, msi mag 650w gold fully modular and a m-atx portable case. i did buy a cooler and ram separately, so all i will need is a motherboard if i keep the 1070ti.

Game testing and making gaming videos are a hobby and for videos im currently using Filmora 14, so nothing exactly fancy. I dont expect to use all 12 cores, but as my personal computer i will want it to game and edit very well, even if i dabble with music/sound effects creating i will want it to do well with that too.


Zotac Mini 1070ti and using a Samsung U28E590 4k 60hz monitor which i play the games at 1080p-4k depending on how they run, so probably aim for a consistent high settings 1440.


many thanks

 

[SilentGameTestR]

That was a lot of rambling mate. So you have a 5900x now right? If so, yes a new card could be done. But depends on resolution which in all of that, you haven't mentioned..

yes i know, i was just giving a bit of a back ground behind my reasons and why i own a 5900x and a 1070ti as they are the highest parts ive ever owned if you exclude a ryzen laptop with 3060 .

basically yeah i own a 5900x, but until i buy a motherboard i cant test it as i decided against putting it in my current boards which are the a320s as id rather just set it up fresh and so until then i dont know how good the 1070ti would be. it does ok with the 1600 and soon will see with the 2600, im just wondering whether i should wait or just upgrade anyways.

yeah i forgot to mention the res. so right now i am using a samsung u28e590, so 4k 60hz. im not too bothered about going back to a gaming monitor, so while it defaults to 4k, the res will vary from 1080 to 4k. i noticed with the 1070 its not very good at 1080, so i guess 1440 high settings with 4k at a push if the game runs it well.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

1070 Ti is still decent for casual gaming at 1080p, though I can't tell you if there's a substantial difference for streaming and encoding between the 1000 series encoders/decoders and later GPUs.

For gaming performance, a 4070 non-Super would be over twice as fast and this might be of interest for the rest:

NVIDIA RTX 4070 and 4060 Ti (8GB) Content Creation Review

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 and 4060 Ti (8GB) are the most recent additions to NVIDIAs consumer family of GPUs on their Ada Lovelace Architecture. How do they compare for content creation against their previous generation counterparts?

www.pugetsystems.com

i dont stream, so im not worried about that, i got the 5900x because i could rather than need and with this being the first time ive owned a 1070ti or anything higher than a 1060 i am curious whether it would be worth keeping or to replace as i originally got it for my test benches and was cheaper than a 1070 and 1080, so it was never meant to go with the R9, just from searching theres mix reviews on the whether 10 series cards are good enough or a waste. the 1070ti with the 1600 and no doubt the 2600 is poor at 1080p in some of the games ive tested.

im not looking for nvidia per say, i use an old model 4k 60hz samsung monitor, so a lot of the fancy features might not work because its not a fancy monitor, but i dont know all the ray tracing etc lark, same with amd. basically im trying to find potential good matches for the R9 or at least the bare minimum without wasting money.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

We need to know exactly what you're trying to do, to give you appropriate suggestions.

Buying a better card just because you think it is a bad match sounds like a waste of money really, the real question is: what do you want to achieve here?


For anything older than a year or two, the 1070 Ti should be decently playable at 1080p, but there are AAA games released since then which both the CPUs and the 1070 Ti would struggle to push a comfortable framerate.

For example: if you're hoping to play newer AAA games at 4K/60, you really need a card on the level of a 4070 non-Super as a minimum, anything less won't cut the mustard. Upscaling with DLSS will certainly help at 4K (upscaling works best at 1440p/4K or higher).

Yeah i updated the OP. I said in a previous response im not bothered about going back to another gaming monitor, but who knows, so for now 4k 60hz monitor is what im using and from the games ive tested 1080p seems to work, but 1440 required for other games, but certain games are early release, so poor anyways. that is of course with the 1600 and 16gb ram that cant run at full speed due to using an a320 board. when it eventually comes to using the 5900x, im sure things will be much better. im only at that stage where i can afford older cards for now even for my test benches. given how im paying for the R9 & power supply, they are for keeps for awhile, so when i match a gpu i will want it to last a fair while also and not be useless in 6 months or less.

im a console gamer more than pc gamer and cyberpunk is my main AAA as well as Starfield, but i havent had chance to try newer games like Hell Drivers 2 though soon will find out how BO6 is., so i dont know how my game list will become. i play a lot of city skylines, WOW, Star Craft 2 and similar.

if i can play 4k well then great otherwise id just keep to the lower setting of 1440.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

You’ll get more for your money with AMD, you can get a 7800XT for around £400 which is 140% faster and has double the VRAM or the 7700XT come close to £300 and these are around 100% faster with 12gb VRAM, these are the 2 cards I’d be looking at as an upgrade unless you can go to around £500 where the 4070super comes into play.

i did look at those as i wont justify spending 500 on a gpu, but when i was looking up the versions, it seems they need 700w psu or more? i was considering the 7600xt as a test review i found online had one matched to the 5900x, but most people talk about the 8gb and i would get the 12gb.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

A 650w would be fine for either of those cards, they tend to over spec the power requirements to cover those who are running an overclocked Intel cpu sucking down 300w.

i did wonder, but wasnt sure. never used an msi mag before, but it seems like a good one, so i dont know what would push it too much.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

I don't want to be a buzz kill, but if you're financing the CPU already, can you really afford the GPU upgrade?

Obviously it's your finances and you know what you can afford, but just be careful about financing depreciating assets like pc components, as you may end up in a sticky situation.

thats not a buzzkill.

i didnt have to finance anything to be fair, just that over the last year i have been using that method to buy certain things as i got accepted for it, so might as well use it. If i didnt get the non computer stuff or the one bit that wasnt actually tech then i wouldve gotten a full system instead, but changed my mind last minute. That being said, if i had went with the 5800x id have had more money to have gotten a decent gpu whereas the 5900x meant id have had to leave it out anyways, but because ive been building test benches then ive got a small variety of cards even if they arent recent. I took advantage of certain sales at the time.

Given how close christmas is i wouldnt be buying a new gpu just yet, i will see if any more sales come about, im just trying to plan ahead and dont end up getting rid of the 1070ti to then regret it.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

A 5900X can pair anything on the market really..., is a 4090 ideal? No, but at 4K you'd still get a lot of the performance. If that is sensible? That's obviously a different question.


Since you're happy to change resolution, the minimum card I'd suggest (new) would be a 6750 XT (~£300), or 6800 non-XT (~£350), which TPU's GPU database has as 70% and 100% faster than what you have. As Joxeon mentioned, the 7700 XT was available around £300 for awhile, which would be a good value pick.


I'd strongly recommend that you don't buy a 7600 XT. Despite the 16GB of VRAM, they're really meant for 1080p (the bus width was not increased from the 8GB version which limits their effectiveness at higher resolutions) and the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT, deals permitting) is a significantly stronger card.

This is how it fares against the older 6700 XT:

If you can pick up a 7800 XT near or under £400, that's a great card at 1440p and capable of handling 4K in most games, especially with FSR enabled.

Yeah i know, but anything doesnt mean good ha. The best ive built for myself was a 3600 + 1060 6gb which at the time was a really good combination for my use, but years on im going in to the unknown, so want to make sure i do it right. I dont move with the times, so whatever i build needs to last awhile.

I wouldnt say im happy with changing resolutions, but if i need to do so for a more lag free experience then i will. ideally high settings at 1440 as i might not always use a 4k screen. Testing i will accept what i can achieve, but for personal gaming i want high quality looks with as close to high performance as i can.

Thats fair enough on the 7600, i looked at it as its similar price to the 3060 and if this is to be a one time graphic purchase i want it to be higher the 8gb vram otherwise makes no sense.

300-400 would be my price range for some something new which would be nearly double the cost of what i paid for the processor or under 300 for something used.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

Playing at native resolution, or 4K with upscaling is likely to be the best image quality, so ideally that's what I'd pick: a card that can do 4K/60 native, or 4K with upscaling. The snag is, 4K is still a highly demanding resolution and especially with newer games you need a monster card to sustain decent frame rates.

If you're comfortable with 4K in everything except for the very newest AAA games, then I think a card on the level of a 6750 XT or 7700 XT will do just fine, but I'll be honest that you won't achieve longer-term 4K gameplay when you'd like to spend £300-£400. As Joxeon has said, the 7800 XT is your best bet for a new card within your budget, they're really marketed for 1440p and are pretty effective at this resolution, while coping with 4K "well enough" in most games.

Nvidia does have an upscaler that tends to give you better image quality, but you'd have to pay more for a competing card, so it doesn't make sense to make the best use of your budget. For example: the 4060 Ti 16GB is also available around £400, but the 7800 XT is so much faster in raster that the 4060 Ti often needs to use DLSS just to keep up:

while 4k gaming is nice, be it native or upscale, i am not overly bothered about playing it on pc as ive got a ps5 and a 120hz 4k tv for that. just the fact that i am currently using a 4k monitor, i would test out the 4k performance, but after playing some BO6 yesterday with the 1070ti(that ive decided to sell) coupled with the 2600, @1440p(not the 1920x1440) on high settings with a 2xxx x 2xxx rendering scale and the odd tweeks to keep within the vram limit, i had some great gaming with the odd dips, but between 50-100fps(need to double check the footage) which has been the best ive managed to achieve in that game, but while that wont be a main game id play and like in cyberpunk 2077, 1440p seems to be the sweet spot, at least for that gpu anyways.

so 2560 x 1440 at the best possible settings is what i want especially if i ever decide on a 1440p monitor in the future.

 

[SilentGameTestR]

Oh, then definitely wait until next gen is out, you'll either get a new one that performs better for the same price, or a mega deal on the current gen

thats what im thinking. not so much next gen as i know nothing about what tech is coming out, but try and get something good in whatever sale coming up. i usually get money for christmas, so if i do this time then i can put that towards it or buy it outright depending on what it is. im not ruling out used though as i was looking to experience my first rtx 2000 series at some point.