keep D600 or swap to OMD EM5

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Last year I bought a Nikon D600, kit lens, 50mm f1.8, 70-300 and sb700. I love the image quality and speed of the camera but the overall size and weight of it but puts me off from carrying it around or taking out on family outings.

I'm contemplating going back to micro 4/3 and specifically the OMD EM5 due to the overall size of the system.

Just wondered if anybody had any other suggestions of an alternative system or camera it's worth considering.?
 
I appreciate that size is an issue for some people, but then I don't understand how people who need the IQ of a FF sensor enough to move to a camera like the D600 can live with the quality (or lack thereof) inherent in the M4/3s system.

You can put a 50 1.8 and a D600 in pretty much any bag, and if you get a little insert for a messenger bag then it's almost no extra burden. I appreciate that if it were a 70-200, 24-70 and gripped D800 sort of system then the size could get to be a disadvantage, but as it stands that system really shouldn't be too big to take around with you. Just leave the 70-300 and the Sb700 at home when you don't need them?

If you do really want to go smaller, then I'd go to something like an XPro1 or XE1 system, or an APS-C compact as at least then you don't lose four times the image quality like you do going to a piddly little m4/3s sensor.
 
I really doubt you would lose four times the image quality just because sensor area is 25%. I would say under good lighting, you will get excellent photos with a good lens.


D600 is a serious camera, I wouldn't have bought one just to take family photos tbh.
 
Well you have 25% the sensor size, which means, assuming every lens you use is at diffraction limits, you'll lose 75% of the resolving power, which means cropping is absolutely impossible even on the best lenses and prints can't really go any larger than 12*8 inches before they start being noticeable lower quality than from the D600 regardless of DPI. On top of that you lose pretty much all control over depth of field, and you don't really get a cheaper system.

You make a million and one sacrifices in IQ and versatility for the sake of shaving maybe 300g off of the system weight. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.

The D600 is a serious camera yes, but a 50 1.8g and a D600 is a very easy to use setup that delivers fantastic results in most situations. A m4/3s sensor not so much, it'll be a good 5 year or more before micro 4/3s sensors are as good for ISO performance alone (the sharpness disadvantage will never go away due to diffraction) and even that assumes they stick around that long.
 
I've got a Pansonic GX1 and a 5D Mark II. The GX1 produces nice images at first glance, but once you zoom or crop they rapidly fall apart, compared to a full frame sensor.

Nine times out of ten, given the choice I'll go with the 5D2, its just a much more enjoyable experience to shoot with, it does exactly what you want, when you want, especially when the subjects are moving or in lowlight.

That's where m43 is still behind, they're blazing fast on static subjects in good light, but I'd only take mine with me if I knew I was going to be shooting in good lighting.

I have tried an OMD as well and it did feel extremely high quality and responsive but still not on the same level as a DSLR. It would make a nice backup to a DSLR but I wouldn't want one as my main, DSLRs are just too responsive.

Just be sure you wont get frustrated with lower image quality, ISO performance etc and end up switching back...OMDs are still around £1000.

Alternatively switch to a Canon 6D and get the 40mm pancake, super light weight setup, super quality ;)
 
The difference in weight of the 2 cameras with kit lenses is 1.4KG for the D600 and 630g for the OMD EM5, thats over twice as heavy. Granted the 50mm 1.8g reduces that difference but then it also reduces the flexibility of the D600 dramatically. The physical size difference is very simliar with the OMD being much smaller that the D600.

As I've said the image quality of the D600 is fantastic, but then the OMD isn't exactly bad, and from the test shots I have is comparable to the likes of the A55 that I've had previously, maybe not quite with the same depth of field, but then thats not exactly the be all and end all of photos. Responsiveness is near instant as is the AF, apart from when using AF-C but then most mirrorless cameras struggle with that and I don't use it very often so not a big worry to me.

The biggest concern with all this is having a decent camera with me when I go out and about with the family, etc. The D600 to me feels like its intrusive, so half the time I don't want to pick it up as its so damn big. With the 70-300 lens mounted its massive and very heavy, particularly to lug about all day.

The smaller systems from the other manufactures suffer from size problems as well, as the body might have shrunk, but the sensor and therefore the lenses are APS-C sized so there is no real advantage to those either.

I need to have a proper play I guess with the 2 and decide if the reduction in quality is something I can live with if it means that I have a camera with me rather than not.
 
I'm a titchy little asian kid and I've never had any issue with taking a small pro body around with me... If you don't like carrying a back then I guess it becomes more significant but even just a messenger bag with an insert, as I said, is more than enough to carry a setup like that. If you can't be bothered to take the camera out now, changing the weight by a few hundred grams or making the camera won't change that. If you're regularly disappointed with the images you get (which an OMD will do a lot more than a D600) then that, imo, will be what stops you from wanting to take the system out, not how heavy it is.

On another point, I'd say that the 50 1.8 is a more versatile lens than any kit lens. Focal length makes much less of a difference to versatility than you might think, particularly when talking about such a versatile length as a 50 (compared to say a 24mm prime or a 100mm+ one)
 
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I have 2 kids that I have to lug half the house round for, the extra 1-2KG+ of weight and the additional bulk is where the main problem lies.

The serious reviewers of the OMD have rated the image quality on par with most of the current APS-C sensors so the reduction is not anywhere near where it was in the earlier days of the M4/3 and there is a very good selection of lenses from Olympus/Panasonic and other third parties to choose from.
 
Don't do it!!!

I downsized fro full frame a few years ago, I sold all my slr kit and bought a decent compact , i used this for a while but was never happy with the image quality and the lack of some features ,I then bought an Nex5n and a few lenses and I was initially impressed and loved how portable the camera was but after a while I started missing having a full frame body with allthe bells and whistles

I now have a d600 andi love it, certainly the best iq of any camera body ive ever owned, it's bulky but getting the right bag will sort that out
 
Your weight fluctuates by more than 1 or 2kg a year in all likelihood, I honestly don't see it as being a significant issue.

The serious reviews are comparing an OMD to a D3200 with a kit lens etc. You absolutely have to use top quality glass to get anything approaching decent quality out of a m4/3s sensor. With something like a D600 you could use pretty much any lens at pretty much any aperture and get a sharper image than the OMD would give you with it's best and most expensive glass. Iso performance will still be poor, tracking performance will still be poor and IQ will still be poor.

If the difference between you picking up the camera and not is 1kg... Either you need to get better at photography so that it's more rewarding than that, or you seriously need to go to the gym...
 
Your weight fluctuates by more than 1 or 2kg a year in all likelihood, I honestly don't see it as being a significant issue.

The serious reviews are comparing an OMD to a D3200 with a kit lens etc. You absolutely have to use top quality glass to get anything approaching decent quality out of a m4/3s sensor. With something like a D600 you could use pretty much any lens at pretty much any aperture and get a sharper image than the OMD would give you with it's best and most expensive glass. Iso performance will still be poor, tracking performance will still be poor and IQ will still be poor.

If the difference between you picking up the camera and not is 1kg... Either you need to get better at photography so that it's more rewarding than that, or you seriously need to go to the gym...

The serious reviewers are the guys who use the thing not most of the review sites. I am aware that the quality of the D600 is better but its degree of better that I'm interested in. Do you have or have you used the OMD EM5?

And your last comment is just silly...its an ADDITIONAL 1+KG to what I already have to lug about and that might be all day, string a 1-2KG weight round your neck and spend the day chasing round after kids and whilst carrying coats, bags, other random household items.
 
I think the issue is people get scared of DSLR's, both the user and subject. If your using something like a x100s, you look more of a trendy kid just taking some snaps. I think the smaller bodies are more socially acceptable if that makes sense.
 
I think the issue is people get scared of DSLR's, both the user and subject. If your using something like a x100s, you look more of a trendy kid just taking some snaps. I think the smaller bodies are more socially acceptable if that makes sense.

It does indeed make sense, I took the D600 to my younger daughters school play with the 70-300 attached and felt a bit of a berk using it to be honest, as its not exactly inconspicuous...
 
There's a lot of cameras about where I work (conference centre), so I see all sorts of gear being waved around by visitors and event photographers. I've seen the OMD a couple of times and with the grip, kit lens, flash etc attached it looks very similar to a DSLR.

You definitely need to get to a camera shop and try one. Like I said, I found I preferred the DSLR, everything about them is nice and responsive, changing exposure settings, menus, zooming, optical viewfinders etc.

Tha'ts my opinion, you may find you don't mind it for the weight trade off...oh and have you seen the 70-300mm equivalents for m43? They're still pretty damn big.

I went with a cheap GX1 because if I want to be more discreet I'll use the back screen...using the viewfinder makes people take notice IMO, as opposed to the screen, where people will just look at you more like you're using a phone to take the picture, which seems more socially acceptable I guess.
 
What kind of photography and printing do you do?

There's some obvious areas where DSLR's still usually win ie sports, long lenses (100mm+), very low light, large fine art prints and that kinda thing. The small evil cameras really shine when you're shooting normal length lenses and don't need the absolute best image quality which I guess are most people photos ;) Saying that the OMD images are still very good, way better than most people need. Just check out some samples from it and have a play with them.

The other thing is you're going to loose a boat load of money making the switch, it's probably best to get a cheaper 2nd hand 4/3 to play with for a bit before making the jump. I went d300 to a 5n then nex 6 but kept most of my DSLR kit for a while. I've used my d300 maybe 2-3 times in the last 3 years now, should really have just sold it when it was still worth some money.
 
I went through a similar thought process recently. I found my dSLR just too big to lug around and high maintenance. Was going to sell it at one point but decided against it as you can't beat the IQ of a dSLR and everything else that comes along with, so I kept it for planned trips or events as I don't mind taking that around for those sort of stuff. But I did buy a high end compact as an everyday camera, this I can carry with me whenever I want. Thought about a m43 camera but decided against, as they are expensive and not exactly small when you factor in the size of the lens etc.

If I was you I'd stick with the dslr and maybe get a high end compact or something like a rx100 for when you dont want to lug a dslr around, then if you find yourself hardly using the dslr just sell it as its pointless sitting in cupboard doing nothing.
 
While I agree with Ksanti that the weight of the d600 plus lens is not really that much considering all things. I have no issue taking my DSLR, plus 10-20 + 24-70 + 300mm f4 on long hikes (5000ft, 18 miles).

But there are plenty of times when I want to go light, or not both taking anything at all. Maybe I am just popping into the local wildlife refuge or a friends dinner party, walking to work, etc. I also like to make hard and fast trips in the mountains, normally on skis, and have spent thousands buying the lightest gear around, everything gets weighed and purchased are decided by factoring in weight. E.g. I purchased a nexus phone because it was 12g lighter than an iPhone. I've drilled holes in my ski boots, cut off all the straps from my backpack, etc. in these cases I absolutely do not want a DSLR with me.


I spent years playing with fixed lens P&S but could never really find one I liked the most. In the end I purchased a olympus epm2 m43 camera. Weighs a mere 270g and gives stunning image quality. M43 cameras used to be dogged by underperforming sensors but olympus realized they should just use a Sony-based sensor and now their sensors actually out perform most DSLRs when Normalised (that is the quantum efficiency is higher than almost all other sensors). My epm2 has almost identical performance to my D90, same Dynamic range, same high ISO performance. To put this another way, modern m43 camera equal or outperform the best canon crop sensor money can buy, e.g. they are at least as good as the canon 7D/650D etc.
Like all recent Sony sensors the shadows are very clean giving a very good DR, somewhat comparable to a canon 5dmkII at base ISOs (but without the banding issues of earlier canon sensors).

High ISO performance is clearly a step behind a modern FF camera, expire being more efficient than most DSLR sensors it cannot make up that size difference. However, you also have to figure lenses. Many people with a FF camera will shoot an f/4 lens like the canon 24-105 or Nikon 24-120. You can gain back the high ISO performance crown by using a fats prime on a m43 camera and end up with a system that is still smaller and lighter.


I certainly have no issues producing professional quality images from my little epm2. It haily fits in my jacket pocket, and my ski pants. There is a full line of lenses, with several real beauties. Scene I wanted a system for lightweight use I actually kept mostly to the slower plastic kit lenses, getting a wide to moderate tele in around 100g is insane, as is a 80-300mm equivalent lens in 190g.

Still, I don't think I would ever replace a DSLR with an evil camera. The epm2 supports my DSLR nicely, especially when/if I move to a D800. There are things that no mirror less will ever really compete successfully at, at least not yet.

Viewfinder: my m43 has no viewfinder, which keeps cost and weight down. Composing on the back screen is not nice compared to a proper optical viewfinder, especially a FF viewfinder. Electronic viewfinders are no where near as pleasing as an optical viewfinder with current technology, but I could imagine in 10 years time things are better. Thing is any compact will have the same issue and most Sony DSLRs have gove this way. Composing and stabalising at arms reach without pressing the camera against your head just is no where near as stable.

The static aF is fine but continuous is far behind a DSLR. But Nikon has shown the world how to do things properly, their Nikon 1 AF-C is at least as good as my D90. If Nikon designed a professional serious camera with their hybrid technology they would be onto a winner.


Small size: For big lenses you just plain old need to have a bigger camera to balance and support things. And as soon as you have big lenses the fact the camera is small is kind of irrelevant.


Shallow DoF. Contrary to some like Ksanti would say you can get very nice very shallow DoF images from the m43 camera, there are plenty of fast primes around and if you know what you are doing with the moderate tele primes you can get a DOF comparable to a FF camera. Where the smaller sensor camera just cannot compete is in the wide but fast category, e.g a 24mm f1.4 prime on a FF is impossible to replicate on m43. If you only shoot portraiture and like the wide but shallow look, then m43 is not ideal.


I chose the epm2 mostly because it is the smallest, lightest and cheapest but shares the same sensor, metering and AF system of the 1000£ omd5. Very few physical controls but I shoot 95% of the time in aperture priority mode, so easily set up the real wheel and buttons to control aperture and exposure comp. so lack of controls really has been no issue.
 
My main types of photography are family get togethers, going out with my kids to theme parks, zoo's, that sort of thing. I occasionally go to motorsport or airshows but they are of lesser concern to me.

I have no problems with EVF compared to OVF and zero preference between the two, the latest OLED based EVF on the A77/A65, NEX 6/7 and the OMD are more than fine for what I want.

I might give the RX100 another go as I tried one last year and liked it, but at the time had enough cameras to sink an entire battle group rather than just the battleship.
 
The D600 is a serious camera yes, but a 50 1.8g and a D600 is a very easy to use setup that delivers fantastic results in most situations. A m4/3s sensor not so much, it'll be a good 5 year or more before micro 4/3s sensors are as good for ISO performance alone (the sharpness disadvantage will never go away due to diffraction) and even that assumes they stick around that long.

Agreed....my D600 with the 50 1.8 is very manageable in any situation
 
Agreed....my D600 with the 50 1.8 is very manageable in any situation

Apart from where 50mm is insufficient reach, like hmmm I don't know, maybe my daughters school play where I'd have had to have been on the stage for the 50mmto be of any use at all?
 
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