Keeping up with the Markles

Owen Jones is a complete pillock who has all the intelligence of a potato. His only marketable quality is the ability to parrot whatever left wing woke views are in vogue at that particular moment. The instant anyone with half a brain questions his views he can't defend himself or his ideas. I honestly have no idea how he got where he is.
 
robfosters said:
He was really. He went into that meeting and imo, was given a choice, apologise, resign or be sacked.

Why should he have to apologise for speaking his mind.
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He wasn’t speaking his mind though, he got rejected by Meghan before she married Harry and since then he has had it in for her.

He’s an insufferable ******* and him being an Arsenal supporter makes it even more worse :p.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
The only time I ever hear that idea is from people who advocate for abolishing the crown. I have never heard anyone else proclaim the idea "they are better than us because of their birth."
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Well, they are. They have higher status, are a higher social class, we serve them, we bow to them, etc. There are a bunch of posts in here criticising Meghan for "social climbing" which proves that this concept exists. Are you honestly suggesting to us that the royal family are equal to us non-royals?
 
robfosters said:
Wasn’t a slip, I used the correct spelling in the correct context. I speak propa English innit!
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Far be it from me to argue with someone from Welling, you may be the Grand Dragon of the BNP for all I know!
I checked with daily writing tips.com, rein/reign, and it agreed with me on rein, but said that reign has been used, but by far fewer people.
I copied it, but it wouldn’t paste, take a look.
 
robfosters said:
I hope Murdoch gives Morgan his own morning show where he has free reign to say what he likes without fear of the permanently offended costing him his job
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Fantastic a UK Fox News. That couldn't possibly go wrong could it. Lets just spread more hate, lies and division and wonder in 10 years time why the UK mirrors the US.

Thing about Morgan and "his voice" is that he likes to dish it out and there be no consequences because its his opinion. Yet when one of his co-hosts went after him with his own opinions, Morgan spat his dummy, stormed off set like a spoilt child taking his ball and going home. He is a bully who can't take it. Nothing worse than someone who likes to dish it out but has paper thin skin when some comes his way. MM ghosted him and his fragile little ego couldn't take it so he used his platform to wage a war against her. If you think that kind of behaviour is something to admire and is deserving its own channel, good luck.
 
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jpaul said:
not really - why would oprah & harry allow those comments to be in the final edit when they must have known they were false, it makes it look more like a double bluff.
make her appear irrational; have the american media corrected the facts for their viewers ...doubt it, mud sticks.



if she has misled the audience on some issues then you have to question her credibility across the board ... nothing more than happens in a law court - no ?

Mental health quality does seem rather 'subjective', stats show correlation with socio-economic factors so the probability is, it is less likely to be present at the same level in meghan, recent footballers, pop stars, other recent reveals, versus those lower down the caste system. (Flack obviously tragic)
now if those high-up individuals have some self-reflection to expose they have means to access appropriate health services, I'm a lot more sympathetic.

Was meghan a pre-text to get rid of him ? or ITV don't want to loose possibility of airing future reveals.
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Ok I read somewhere that the queen changed the rules to allow all of Williams kids to get titles not just the eldest son.

But she wasn't willing to do the same for Harry's kids.

Was in a tabloid so not sure if true or not.
 
Cooper said:
IMO, Markle's nothing but a scheming, narcissistic social climber who quickly found out she'd bit off more than she could chew joining the Royal Family and simply put in to action the plan, albeit a bit sooner than intended, she'd always had, Get back to America with the Royal Status she craved and cash in.

..You only have to look at the trail of wreckage she leaves to past relationships in her family & private life to realise that she's the problem, and that's she's determined to do the same again.

It's Harry, I feel sorry for. In private I bet he is mortified by what she's doing, but is now so pussy whipped by her, can't stand up to her.
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I think this is my general view of her too based solely off of what I’ve read and seen.

She ‘seems’ like a calculating sort of person. This is based off of nothing really other than general feeling, much like you get from any person you see on TV or in real life without knowing them.

If it truly is that bad, they should renounce all titles, keep away from the media and get on with their lives in private. But I guess that would mean they wouldn’t be able to fund their lifestyles.
 
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Dirk Diggler said:
He wasn't just speaking his mind, he was representing his employer who just happened to receive 41,000 complaints from it's customers (and counting).
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He's paid to speak his mind :rolleyes:

Either way. I'm with him. I don't believe a word she said either.

She was a decent actor in a multi-award winning TV drama before she met Harry.
 
Well I did chuckle when I read Morgan had lost his job. My personal view is he is entitled to opinion, I think the 41,000 complainants are wrong. Journalists are expected and should be expected to challenge things they are told. You employ people like Morgan to share their opinions and he shared that one. Equally I have no problem with GMB/ITV sacking him, he is after all their spokesperson and if they had asked him not to share certain views and he refused they are entitled to be represented by whom suits them. With regard to his storming off air. What we don't know I guess is what the producer(s) are saying in his ear. Maybe they are annoying him just as much as the fella on the panel.

Offending people shouldn't be an offense and if there isn't free speech for everything then there isn't free speech at all. (usual incitement/fire in a theatre caveats accepted)

Interestingly my wife came home yesterday and said in the office there was a straight generational divide on some of the Markle stuff. Older were less digital (tries to avoid black and white:rolleyes:) in their views, the youngsters were Manichean in their outlook. Heaven help us if the Millennials and Z's don't chill out as they get older the World is going to turn into a hideous place.
 
Converge said:
If it truly is that bad, they should renounce all titles, keep away from the media and get on with their lives in private. But I guess that would mean they wouldn’t be able to find their lifestyles.
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But the world needs to know how hard they had it!

What really annoys me at the moment is that we put so much value in peoples emotions and feelings and far too little on actual, objective fact.

Ask a team of people at work who does what percentage of the work and I reckon with a team of 10 you would probably get about 200% or more. Everyone lives in their own world and it revolves around them. They didn't get a promotion, that must be someone elses fault or person X doesn't like them or yada yada. I couldn't possibly have been something as banal as another candidate being better than them...

No one knows truly how hard or easy it is for other people and Harry and Meghan seem to think that everyone was out to get them on a personal level. They weren't. The papers sell gossip and Meghan was ripe for that. Estranged father, half sister she doesn't get on with and all the circus that comes with that. American TV star marrying UK royalty, lots to talk about.

It all just smacks of a self absorbed narcissist who thinks that the world should change for her at every turn. She married into a dynasty that has been around for hundreds of years and has a certain way of doing things. If you don't understand that or want to be part of that, don't.

Its like going into the army and then whinging that "people keep telling me what to do and they make me get up early and they make me do loads of fitness".
 
The Running Man said:
Anyone show me these years of abuse?

Before they got on their high horse and decided to leave the press seemed very positive to me about the whole thing?

Maybe I missed something
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Not sure if serious.......the press have been at them from day one. Compare and contrast the headlines for Kate vs Meghan, those are easy to find and differ markedly.
 
The Running Man said:
Anyone show me these years of abuse?

Before they got on their high horse and decided to leave the press seemed very positive to me about the whole thing?

Maybe I missed something
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Maybe like me you never read the tabloid press but its been linked in here multiple times. It all started long before they decided to do the off. Morgan has been on her case for years since she ghosted him. Just because you are a public figure doesn't mean you are fair game for the press to try and destroy you. Lots of people complain about "cancel culture" yet what the press does when it decides to destroy people is exactly that. Rather than it being people on twitter its an organisation that buys ink by the lorry load. It amounts to the same thing. Actually its even worse because twitter users are individuals, the press are organisation with their own political agendas.
 
The Running Man said:
Anyone show me these years of abuse?

Before they got on their high horse and decided to leave the press seemed very positive to me about the whole thing?

Maybe I missed something
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Snippets were included in the interview itself - mainly the mail online and the Sun

I'm paraphrasing by the examples were:

Kate eats an Avocado - Great healthy food
Megan eats an Avocado - She's killing the planet.

Kate holds her baby bump - She'll be a great mum
Meghan holds her baby bump - She's got psychological issues.
 
Converge said:
I think this is my general view of her too based solely off of what I’ve read and seen.

She ‘seems’ like a calculating sort of person. This is based off of nothing really other than general feeling, much like you get from any person you see on TV or in real life without knowing them.

If it truly is that bad, they should renounce all titles, keep away from the media and get on with their lives in private. But I guess that would mean they wouldn’t be able to find their lifestyles.
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Exactly this.

She did the real life equivalent of signing up to a forum.

She ticked the 'I agree to the terms and conditions' without reading them
 
PlacidCasual said:
Interestingly my wife came home yesterday and said in the office there was a straight generational divide on some of the Markle stuff. Older were less digital (tries to avoid black and white:rolleyes:) in their views, the youngsters were Manichean in their outlook. Heaven help us if the Millennials and Z's don't chill out as they get older the World is going to turn into a hideous place.
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Everyone's opinions change as they get older. When people are young they tend to be a bit more idealistic. Though the older generations can tend to be very set in their ways. I hear people of my age (50) or slightly older basically saying "kids today, wasn't like this when we were kids" which is exactly what out parents and grand parents said about our generation. Its good that kids and young people think differently. Its what allows society to evolve. You or others might not like the way its evolving but rest assured that the generation before you said exactly the same thing.
 
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