Know your Nitro RC cars?

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Hi all

I am completely new to this and so is my dad so i have a couple of questions. First off.

My dads just got a condor pro 1/10th car, i was wondering is it possible for him to put any other shells on instead as the shell it came with? It has a spoiler, but im sure it could be removed. I just think it would look a lot better as say an actual car rather than a 'buggy/rc look'

Anyway, i am looking into getting my own first nitro RC and i have a budget of around £160. What do you recommend? I would like something which i could possibly change shells, something which i could upgrade in due course, as i would like to add some better wheels and tyres, pimp it out.

Thoughts appreciated very much
 
You can bang on any shell tbf spoilers only help keep the back end down but ive run monster trucks with out them (t-maxx) second hand you cn pick up hyper 7's i think been some time since ive messed but you can't go wrong with a hyper best car ive used!
 
I used to be into this i had a hoBao Hyper 7. Customized it completely new engine, New Shocks, Everything.

It's a pretty cheap beginner buggy, but be warned expect lots of repairs as they break so easy, You will end up replacing the steering servo first, That breaks the most ;) (Not just the hobao i mean Nitro RC cars in general)
 
HPI is one of the best brands while Schumacher have the fastest (80mph). That was the case anyway back when I was into them heavily about 6years ago.
Thunder Tiger is a good entry level brand that's cheap and popular.

You can't do much modding on cars, wheels and tyres can be changed as well as some other minor things but the heavy modding happens on the buggies/trucks (Replacing plastic with metal parts mostly)

In my experience you'll find some shells are made specifically for certain brands but there's no problem with cutting your own holes into them. I remember I never used to use my shells because it's a lot of fiddling for no reason when they have to be refilled every so often.

Also remember if you use them together to make sure your controllers have different (forget the name) wavelengths? Most come with a switch and some come with a compartment where you can actually change the small key in it.
 
Bazooka by HSP, rock solid, virtually identical to the Kyosho 777. (The guy who started the Bazooka used to work for Kyosho.)
More solid then the Hypers, trust me I've bashed with a couple.

I stopped nitro cars a few years ago now, though would not hesitate to recommend the HSP Bazooka.

Shameless plug a couple of my old youtube vids driving it. Note in the Skate park one, the two cars trying to be fixed were Hypers. This happened constantly with the Hypers breaking first. Maybe a lot down to driver error, though the truth be known the Bazooka is a fair bit of a stronger beast.

It is a budget buggy that genuinely competes with the pros.

For any info on Nitro I would also highly recommend http://www.plaig.com.au/phpbb/index.php Trev and the guys that run it are extremely helpful.

(Worth watching to the end, b.t.w.)


*Edit. I would not advise getting a 1/10th scale, I started with one and every time you touch something it will break. You need to up to a 1/8th, far more robust and forgiving. Actually the only other two videos on that youtube channel are of my 1/10th Atomic Warhead breaking on Nephews foot. A 1/8th would have broke his foot. :)

Anyway great hobbie, I used to love stripping mine down completely after every outing for thorough cleaning. Enjoy what ever you get.
 
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Hi all

I am completely new to this and so is my dad so i have a couple of questions. First off.

My dads just got a condor pro 1/10th car, i was wondering is it possible for him to put any other shells on instead as the shell it came with? It has a spoiler, but im sure it could be removed. I just think it would look a lot better as say an actual car rather than a 'buggy/rc look'

Anyway, i am looking into getting my own first nitro RC and i have a budget of around £160. What do you recommend? I would like something which i could possibly change shells, something which i could upgrade in due course, as i would like to add some better wheels and tyres, pimp it out.

Thoughts appreciated very much


Hi

First off if you are new to RC nitro has an extremely steep learnig curve and many people quit because of that. However, nitro cars are extremely fun if you can stick with it and learn all of the little nuances. I was into RC for a couple of years and had several cars.

Before buying it is best to ask yourself what you want to do with the car? Bashing? Racing?

Most people want to bash, and so it is a good idea to take a look at where you intend to run the car and see what would be a suitable choice. In the main I would avoid 1/10 scale models unless they are monster trucks. The best all round scale will be 1/8. I had a few and whilst buggies are great fun, I would say a truggy would be best to start with. This is for two reasons, firstly they are easier to control, and second they can cope with rougher terrain better.

As for what you buy, your budget is not a great one I will be honest, so you are probably going to have to buy 2nd hand in order to get anything half decent. Personally, if I were you I would save some more money and get a proper car. You can buy a fully RTR (just add fuel, buy a battery charger etc etc) truggy with 2.4ghz controls for around £280-£350 brand new. The reason 2.4ghz controls are important is because they dont conflict with any other users so you dont have to mess around carrying crystals all the time.

I would say something like a hong nor x1x truggy or a HoBao Hyper ST would be perfect. They are hard wearing, fast and can cope with a lot. Also spares are esy to get. Most people fall into the trap of thinking a bigger engine = more speed, and thats not true. A .21 in a truggy will usually be faster than a .28 for instance. The reason is that .21 engines rev higher and have a higher top speed. The downside is they dont have as much torque low down in the revs. Whereas a .28 angine loses out on top speed but has better torque and so generally is a better choice for bashing.

As for brands, HPI and Traxxas are over priced. Their cars are not bad but you are paying over the odds for several of their models. I would go with HoBao (spares are abundant), Hong Nor, Caster and Losi. If you want to blow a wad you could go with a Mugen, JE, xray etc but they are really racing cars and dont stand up well to bashing.

I would be wary of using the bay to buy though as a lot of stuff on there is tat. If you havent been over already I suggest joining the MSUK forum, its a cracking place and I'm a member there myself (not this user name). Modelsport and JE Spares (now called JE Models) are the best places to buy. I would avoid Wheelspin Models as they tend to pretend they have stock when they dont :(

I would not recommend removing the 'wing' from the car (you call it a spoiler). The reason you need the wing is mid air control. It helps the car fly better and gives better response to mid air control input for lifting/dipping the nose. I would keep it on :)

See a few pics of my previous cars:


1/12 Mini ST:
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1/10 Revo 3.3
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1/5 Baja SS (petrol)
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1/8 Hyper ST Pro
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1/5 Baja SS (petrol)
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1/8 Losi 8ight 2.0 Buggy (they used this actual car on the gadget show for attempting the world record jump, minus a few decals)
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1/8 Hyper ST Pro with custom shell
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1/8 Hyper ST Pro brushless conversion with MMM and 2200kv motor
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1/10 Losi XXL truck
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Some fantastic help there, thanks guys. Really did not expect that kind of response. In light to what you have all said, i want to up my budget to around £300.

The type of racing i would like to do is on and off road. As my dads can go on road, grass and stones, i would prefer joining him.

I seen this on eBay, is this really half price? and is it any good?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261066244072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
 
Some fantastic help there, thanks guys. Really did not expect that kind of response. In light to what you have all said, i want to up my budget to around £300.

The type of racing i would like to do is on and off road. As my dads can go on road, grass and stones, i would prefer joining him.

I seen this on eBay, is this really half price? and is it any good?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261066244072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I would avoid unbranded ebay stuff like that.

You get what you pay for in RC, so I would stick to the better known models and models that you know you can get spares for.

For £300 you could have (any one of these would be a cracking car):

Hong Nor X1X CRT truggy

HPI Trophy truggy

HoBao Hyper ST truggy

HoBao Hyper 7 Black buggy

Hong Nor X1X buggy

Seriously, I would not buy anything unless talking it over with someone who knows what they are talking about. Stuff like that ebay car may look ok, and run ok till the first time it breaks, then you need spares. If you cant get them, its a trashed car.

Like I said, the MSUK forum is a good place to go and theres lots of useful info. Or just drop me a PM when you are thinking of buying and I will try and steer you in the right direction.

Buff
 
I used to have a Hyper 7 and was great fun for a few years. Built like a tank, really easy to mod and plenty of spare parts around.

Definatley spend a bit of money over a cheap/unbranded one.
 
I used to own a Hobao Hyper 7 and never had any problems with it. My brother has a Hobao Hyper 8.5 and hit a brick head on going incredibly fast. Not sure if he was just lucky but there was absolutely no damage whatsoever. I would highly recommend the Hoboa Hyper 7 for a beginners Nitro RC car.
 
This Hyper stands up to some pretty amazing punishment.

I'd still highly recommend the HSP Bazooka. (Its known as the Redcat Hurricane in the U.S.)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-HSP-P...sGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3ccab3bdc7

Although the Hyper 7 is around the same price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HoBao-Hyp...sGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item48424bcbd5

One of those would be an excellent entry.

Last word from me I reckon this ported Bazooka would have cleared the jump in the Hyper 7 video. :D :p I ported my bazooka and put a tuned pipe on it and man it flew. Never took video of it ported mind.
 
I have been looking into the HSP Bazooka.

I have two concerns, the first is spare parts. Seems like you would have to buy from abroad or try and get them off the bay. I'm not sure how readily available they are, but if they are anything like Kyosho spares you could be struggling. Another point to mention is that from what I read, the main things you are likely to break in a front impact are not compatible with the Kyosho model that this car is based on - so you may struggle to use Kyosho spares instead without rebuilding the entire front end. I am guessing they have had to make it that way for copyright reasons.

The second concern is knowledge base. As it is not a popular car you will probably be able to find less help, which is something you will be needing a lot of if you are new to the hobby. The limited popularity thing is also a factor in sourcing spares, because once you get into the scene you will probably be a member of a forum and their 'for sales' department will be a handy place to locate spares. At one point I had 3 complete spare rolllers for my ST Pro that I bought from forum members.

While I don't doubt the Bazooka is a pretty good car, as an overall package I'm not sure it is the best choice for someone new to the hobby. Also, I have not read too many good reports about it and people I know who have had one wished they hadn't :eek: But to be fair thats only 2 people and hardly a broad representation of users.

Just a note on budget too....

You will need to leave enough money for:

**ESSENTIALS**

Mechanical Failsafe! Get one. It might save a run away that could wreck your car or injure someone in the process. Most new cars come with 2.4ghz radio gear that have built in fail safes if the car goes out of range or has low receiver battery power. However, they DO NOT protect against a battery disconnection! If your receiver battery disconnects at wide open throttle, your throttle servo will open up to fulll. The result is your car goes screaming off till it hits something hard, runs out of fuel or flips on its back and cooks your engine. I had that happen with a hyper 7 of mine. Wide open throttle whilst on its back! Separated the tyres from their rims and cooked the engine. :( I used to use a a fairly thick rubber band after that :) You don't need to have it too strong, just enough to stop the throttle opening too far if the battery disconnects. Battery disconnects are common when bashing as the car is taking a lot of punishment normally from heavy landings after getting some nice air.

Fuel - I would recommend 20-25% for bashing. I always used Byron 25% Gen 2. You will be looking at around £25 a gallon for that. Don't use cheap fuel if you can help it as cheaper fuels don't tend to burn as cleanly and you can sometimes tune what you think is a nice smoke trail, but actually you are too lean (IE engine running hot).

Glow starter and charger - Fairly cheap, probably £10-£15

Spare batteries for the transmitter + Spare batteries for your receiver, preferably rechargeable with something to charge them. They are about £10 for 4, and you will need at least 8, maybe 12 depending on if your transmitter uses 8 batteries or 4. Of course you can use standard non-rechargeable batteries and buy fresh as you need them, but over time you will spend more.

Spare glow plugs (you may blow a few during run in). OS No8 or McCoy MC9 are a pretty good choice. These are around about £5-£6 EACH! So making sure your engine tune is right pays dividends! (poor tuning = shorter plug life). It always pays to have spare plugs in your kit as if your plug blows, that's it end of fun unless you have a spare and can pop in a new one. :)



**Items to consider in future investments**

Battery Charger (especially if you start using hump packs and a starter box). You can spend a ruck of money on chargers, especially if you are going to use Lipo batteries, but often it is not needed. However, I would suggest buyng a fairly decent one if you can because it will last, and charge most things you need it to. I use a Pro Peak Sigma II EQ and its great. They are about £50-£60 new but I bought mine 2nd hand for £35 delivered. But they charge all sorts, including Lipo. You can buy cheaper chargers, and to be honest most cars come with AA powered blocks for the receiver anyway, so as long as you have got something that charges AA batteries you should be ok for a while. But as you get into it more you may wish to opt for hump packs which you will need a proper charger for.

Starter box + batteries (can be expensive but trust me your pull start WILL break!) The SMD Evo 2 is a popular choice and costs around £60 new. Its best to run it with two high capacity stick packs or a 12v 7a gel battery. Two decent stick packs will cost around £20 each, or a gel battery will cost around £15-£20 if you buy it from somewhere like Jewsons (they are basically alarm batteries). A starter box is not an essential piece of kit to start with but it is something to bear in mind. I have known of people buy a brand new car and the pull cord on the pull start snaps on their first outing! :eek: If this happens your car is useless until you replace the pull cord or fit a roto start back plate or buy a starter box. Roto start back plates are a nice compromise as the roto 'gun' is usually quite compact and not as much hassle to lump about compared to a starter box. But you have to seal the back plate properly or you get an air leak into the engine which can cause erratic behaviour - and worst case engine damage. Also, most people using a roto start (or pull start for that matter) suffer shortened life of their one way bearing (OWB) and whilst this is not a major issue OWB life is something a starter box helps to prolong. Plus there is less resistance in the engine if you completely remove the pull start and fit a blank back plate.

Anyway, like I have mentioned before Nitro RC has a steep learning curve, but the fundamentals are fairly easy once you get to grips with them.


Cheers

Buff
 
i had been racing nitro cars for about 7 years been out of the scene now for about a year, but if your just "bashing" about in a park and not taking things seriously i would say either the Hyper 7 or if you fancy something i bit bigger go for the Hyper ST, ive owned both and they are the strongest trucks ive ever come across, and parts are very easy to come across

Hyper ST kit version ( i recommend this version) but you will need to buy your own radio gear on top
http://www.jemodels.com/nitro-model...e=flypage.tpl&product_id=3450&category_id=122

OR

Hyper 7 Comes with everything you should need, and the engine is very easy to tune

http://www.jemodels.com/nitro-model...=flypage.tpl&product_id=13526&category_id=122
 
Thanks for the vast amount of info it is very helpful.

khevolution, i love the look of that car in your first link, it sounds like an amazing RC. The price though doesn't even include an engine though, right?

No one go mad at me but i was also looking at a 1/5th monster truck & hummer. Any feelings on them?
 
I really wouldn't bother with anything smaller than 1/8th scale, simply the parts that small are not strong enough for the forces involved. Trust me through experience, you will be spending a hell of a lot more on spares with anything smaller than a 1/8th.
Also about the parts being different to the Kyosho 777 and Inferno 7.5, slight modding gets around this and without they are 99.9% compatible. Although t.b.h. I found the Bazooka spares to be slightly better quality and a lot of the Kyosho guys use the Bazooka spares.
I like to spread the news of the HSP Bazooka as most people only know of the Hypers and this is simply a better beast. For very little money you have a pro class nitro chassis. You'd need to port the engine or replace it, add a tuned pipe and mod the steering circle of the Bazooka and you'd have a pro class buggy that has been proven to compete and beat the best. The Bazooka wins comps in Aus where they are Nitro crazy.

Get a 1/8th what ever you do.

This is a Bazooka in this video even though it says Kyosho MP7.5
 
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Thanks for the vast amount of info it is very helpful.

khevolution, i love the look of that car in your first link, it sounds like an amazing RC. The price though doesn't even include an engine though, right?

No one go mad at me but i was also looking at a 1/5th monster truck & hummer. Any feelings on them?

@jmc007 - 1/5 scale is not smaller than 1/8 scale matey.

Normally 1/5 scale are petrol cars but some are now brushless electric.

Having ran 2 1/5 scale cars i can tell you they are expensive!! They are big and heavy and when they break its normally more expensive to repair than a 1/8 nitro. I found large scale quite boring as they are nowhere near as fast or fun as 1/8. Well not unless you spend a few hundred on a bored out race tuned engine. Petrol cars are so much easier engine wise though. Tune and forget unlike nitro that needs tweaking all the time. Fuel wise they are cheaper to run and a tank lasts a lot longer too - around 40 mins compared to 7-10 mins on a nitro. If you want to go 1/5 large scale i hope you have deep pockets!!!

Post a link to the cars you are thinking about and i will take a look.

Buff
 
Thanks for the vast amount of info it is very helpful.

khevolution, i love the look of that car in your first link, it sounds like an amazing RC. The price though doesn't even include an engine though, right?

No one go mad at me but i was also looking at a 1/5th monster truck & hummer. Any feelings on them?

Thats an ST Pro. I had several and rate them highly. Check the spoiler below for a few pics:

Spare roller with the shell off and no engine
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2nd Spare roller - white shell, no engine
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3rd spare roller with custom shell and hong nor big bore shocks
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Main car - built from the ground up (Spec OS .28 XZ engine, Jammin JP4 pipe, 2x ACE DS 1015 servos, Spektrum DX3s RC gear, orion 1600mah receiver pack)

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In fact, the black car in the pics in the spoiler section in my previous post is an ST Pro.

If you buy the ST Pro, you will need to purchase seperately:

Engine (the clutch and clutch bell used to be included in the Pro kit, but I dont know if thats still the case. Also a pipe for a .28 engine used to be included, but I would suggets putting a tuned pipe on, like a JP4 ;) ).
Radio Gear.
Servos x2 (one for throttle/brake and one for steering).
Paint for painting the shell (the ST pro shell comes clear, unlike the picture on the website suggests).
Tools to build it with if you dont already have any.

Having built one myself from scratch and spending money on nothing but the best, it came in at just shy of £1000 to build the black car in the pics above. You dont need to spend anything like that on a car, and whilst the ST Pro spec is great, the standard ST RTR spec is also very durable and it is far cheaper. Plus, it can be upgraded over time with the ST Pro spec extras (chassis braces, steering knuckles, spider diff etc etc).

Cheers

Buff
 
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