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Katsumoto

Katsumoto

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Need to decline a lot in price. The higher end ones that is. With the 660ti release beating the GTX 580 monster from last 'season' at £50 less, and the GTX 670 beating the 660ti by a fair margin whilst still being priced the same as a GTX 580, the 580 has firmly hit a point where it has to go down in price.

£300 for something that's utterly beaten by same price/lower price things by the same company, let alone AMD's offerings is silly. The 580 needs to bottom down to the lower £200's to be worth considering now.

Hopefully the release of this gens cards will help drive the prices of last gens down to reasonable ones. As in, hopefully last generations top line stuff ends up being the decent mid range card we all need in the market now (the £150-200 region).
 
They'll only be reduced in price if they're not selling.

If people are still buying the GTX 580 for, give or take, £300 then that's where it'll stay.

If there comes a point where there are large stocks not selling then you might see some price drops.

Or if suddenly a load of GTX 580s appear (as happened with the GTX 480) then you might see some special prices.
 
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a lot of retailers will be locked in by the price they bought the cards at and the margin they need to make to sell them - they will only drop in price if they are absolutely dead not selling and the retailer wants to clear off some dead stock - sometimes nvidia will make some kind of rebate available to clear old stock but my understanding is that they've already done this on the 5** stock so there won't be any more

a buyer would have to be mad to buy a 580 for gaming given what else is currently available, but people are weird like that
 
Don't forget, people that bought the last gen might want to SLI/Crossfire them for up to date performance without upgrading their whole system - This keeps last gen GPU's prices high imo.
 
Katsumoto said:
Need to decline a lot in price. The higher end ones that is. With the 660ti release beating the GTX 580 monster from last 'season' at £50 less, and the GTX 670 beating the 660ti by a fair margin whilst still being priced the same as a GTX 580, the 580 has firmly hit a point where it has to go down in price.

£300 for something that's utterly beaten by same price/lower price things by the same company, let alone AMD's offerings is silly. The 580 needs to bottom down to the lower £200's to be worth considering now.

Hopefully the release of this gens cards will help drive the prices of last gens down to reasonable ones. As in, hopefully last generations top line stuff ends up being the decent mid range card we all need in the market now (the £150-200 region).
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What do you mean AMD's offering is silly?

The 7870 is the same performance as the GTX 660ti if not a little better in gaming and Direct Compute. And its cheaper, seems to me if anything here is silly its the GTX 660ti

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforc...-32505-17.html

7970 = 141.3%
GTX 670= 126.5%
7950= 120.5%
7870= 110.7%
GTX 660ti= 107.4%
GTX 580 = 100%
 
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Not the old cherry picking of reviews routine again. Where is that link that cat the fifth showed which averaged a few review sites?
 
psychodil said:
Not the old cherry picking of reviews routine again. Where is that link that cat the fifth showed which averaged a few review sites?
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Didn't see that. I always use Anandtech's 2012 bench thingy so don't know why you're getting your knickers in a twist :p

Edit: found it. 660Ti showed as sitting between the 7870 and 7950. What's your problem? :p

GTX660TIrelativeperformance.png
 
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[WU-TANG]GZA;22587301 said:
pycho might have been talking to the other guy rusty, not you :D
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Was talking to both of them, its easy these days to quote a review which is favourable to either side, as the variation does seem quite big from review to review. That site which averages the results from various sites is a good idea, as some sites will run settings which favour AMD and some will run settings which favour Nvidia. It looks like it is between the 7870 and the 7950 when all cards are at stock.
 
580's are still wanted cards because of thier compute power in many applications, people don't just buy them for gaming and this is why they still have a high price.
 
I have been saying this for ages (although not so much about the 580/660TI). The current prices of last gen i.e. 6950/6970 and 6870 and the 560TI/448 etc. are a rip off as you can get the 7950, 7850 etc. for more or less the same price and better performance etc.

OCUK prices are quite a bit higher when it comes to GPU's (especially the last gen cards) compared to most of their competitors.
 
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Rusty0611 said:
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Link is dead.

The 660Ti sits between the 7870 and 7950. The 7870 is slower.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/647?vs=548
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its here http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,review-32505-17.html

7970 = 141.3%
GTX 670= 126.5%
7950= 120.5%
7870= 110.7%
GTX 660ti = 107.4%
GTX 580 = 100%

This from Tom's speaks volums.

According to the settings we chose on a per-game basis, picked to maximize visual quality at playable frame rates, the GeForce GTX 660 Ti is close to, if not slightly slower than a Radeon HD 7870. We already know this runs counter to Nvidia's expectations, which put the new card between AMD's Radeon HD 7870 and 7950. However, after comparing lab results, the outcome of our testing appears tied to the way we picked settings for each game, likely taxing the 660 Ti's memory bandwidth more than less-demanding options would.

Perhaps our settings favour the Radeon cards. Perhaps theirs favour the GeForce-based boards. And maybe the most real-world outcome lies somewhere in between. But, I believe the truth is that GeForce GTX 660 Ti performs within 5%, plus or minus, of the Radeon HD 7870.
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With 2 cards so close you can use settings to make one or the other look better, which is what Nvidia and AMD want reviewers to do, not that they always will.

in reality and in the real world they are both about the same.

Nvidia's own slides and wishes for game settings should not be trusted any more than AMD's or any other.

Your anand link is a classic example of that, they used AMD's BETA drivers instead of the finished 12.8 drivers, and they used reference Radeon's against factory overclocked GTX 660ti's. its bias and completely flawed but who can blame them with Nvidia pulling review contracts where reviewers don't tow there line.

It would have been interesting to see them use my Factory Overclocked 1100Mhz to make it fair for there review, Nvidia would have had a hussy fit.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-ti-review
 
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^ Rubbish.

You can focus blindly on one review or you can summarise them all and average them out:

GTX660TIrelativeperformance.png


So as you can see, the 7870 is slower than the 660Ti and the 7950 is faster.
 
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Surveyor said:
OcUK only have a total of 14 A grade GTX 570s and 580s in stock plus however many KFA2 cards they have.

10+ could be 10 or 1,000.
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Hi there

This and to be exact we have 18 KFA2 580äs and about 40 of the 570's and with current run-rate they shall all be gone in a matter of weeks at which point OcUK shall no longer stock such cards.

If its a similar story in the rest of the channel then there will be no more price drops as there is simplz no need to do so.
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

This and to be exact we have 18 KFA2 580äs and about 40 of the 570's and with current run-rate they shall all be gone in a matter of weeks at which point OcUK shall no longer stock such cards.

If its a similar story in the rest of the channel then there will be no more price drops as there is simplz no need to do so.
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Simplz! Best misspelling evah!
 
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