Laugh at my financial decisions, then help!

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Hi all. What better medium to expose your silliness than to lots of random internet strangers (and a couple of work colleagues who I think are on here and might recognise me). So...

  • In March 2019, I bought a 2017 Ford Focus Estate for about £14k, using a HP agreement at 5.9%, paying about £275/month
  • In December 2021, with used prices how they were, I was able to ship the car off to WBAC for £12k, paying off the remainder of the finance and leaving me with enough for the up front payment on a Hyundai Kona EV lease, paying £300/month for the rest of the 3 years.
  • In March of this year, I "got the ick" about having a lease, and in a moment of madness, got a loan for £25k ( @ 10%, please don't laugh too hard), terminated the Kona lease early and bought a 2022 Ford Focus Estate. This is now a steaming £525/month, or a total payable of over £31k. No, I don't know what possessed me to go ahead with the loan at this rate.

The rationale was that I'd be able to put together more money on the side to pay the loan off early and avoid a lot of the interest. As always, life has been getting in the way, and the little nag at the back of my head that I was in a very silly position is growing and growing. It's not that I can't afford that much, but it's still a very, very high interest loan and I'm throwing money away. To make things even worse, the car is very seldom used since I started commuting to work on the train. I'm paying £525/month to have a Focus sat on my drive that I use very locally 2-3 times a week, and for much longer journeys once a month or so (running from Liverpool to Leeds and back to see family, for example). Don't get me wrong, it's very nice, but it's a lot of money.

Once you've unfolded yourself from the laughter, I'd appreciate serious comments on what you'd do in this situation (but I'll allow any random insult at the start of your reply!). Do I sell up, buy an absolute shed and pay off as much of the loan in one go that I can? Do I sell up, buy a reasonable car for about £10k, using the rest to pay a chunk off the loan, saving some interest and getting me closer to the end? Any other suggestions?

If you suggest getting a car that's not a shed, then I've only got a small-ish wishlist: petrol, auto (I'd love a BMW with a ZF8), any body shape, not halogen headlights, climate control. Any other features over and above this are definitely just a bonus (such as cruise/speed limiter).
 
@squerble what you being offered to trade it in? Does seem daft to keep hold of it when it will continue to lose value too.

I'm guessing you will be left with a shortfall of around 8-10k if you sell up and settle?
 
Hi all. What better medium to expose your silliness than to lots of random internet strangers (and a couple of work colleagues who I think are on here and might recognise me). So...

  • In March 2019, I bought a 2017 Ford Focus Estate for about £14k, using a HP agreement at 5.9%, paying about £275/month
  • In December 2021, with used prices how they were, I was able to ship the car off to WBAC for £12k, paying off the remainder of the finance and leaving me with enough for the up front payment on a Hyundai Kona EV lease, paying £300/month for the rest of the 3 years.
  • In March of this year, I "got the ick" about having a lease, and in a moment of madness, got a loan for £25k ( @ 10%, please don't laugh too hard), terminated the Kona lease early and bought a 2022 Ford Focus Estate. This is now a steaming £525/month, or a total payable of over £31k. No, I don't know what possessed me to go ahead with the loan at this rate.


If you suggest getting a car that's not a shed, then I've only got a small-ish wishlist: petrol, auto (I'd love a BMW with a ZF8), any body shape, not halogen headlights, climate control. Any other features over and above this are definitely just a bonus (such as cruise/speed limiter).
Sounds like you have beat yourself up enough without me chipping in.
On the basis your car is worth about £17k ish you will be crystallising a huge loss. There may be an early redemption penalty on the loan so the interest saving might not be as much as you desire. Now is not a good time to sell your car. the market is wobbling and 1-3 year old cars are devaluing more sharply than at anytime in the last three years. I expect this to stabilise early next year but dealers are being uber cautious on buying stock and also it's December when a lot will destock anyway. On the basis you have paid off c£4k and your car is worth £17-18k then you have an unfunded c£4k to get out of the finance.
Buying a replacement car at £10k therefore isn't actually going to net you that much spare cash and you'll no doubt have some additional costs for maintenance and repair. I work in the car industry and its seldom even a zero sum game! you have to take your medicine and resolve not to make the same error again!
 
@squerble what you being offered to trade it in? Does seem daft to keep hold of it when it will continue to lose value too.

I'm guessing you will be left with a shortfall of around 8-10k if you sell up and settle?

WBAC offering £14k, Motorway show £16.5k, could maybe get more if I tried to sell privately. Remaining loan balance probably around £22k, so figures very close to what you suggested.
 
Sounds like you have beat yourself up enough without me chipping in.
On the basis your car is worth about £17k ish you will be crystallising a huge loss. There may be an early redemption penalty on the loan so the interest saving might not be as much as you desire. Now is not a good time to sell your car. the market is wobbling and 1-3 year old cars are devaluing more sharply than at anytime in the last three years. I expect this to stabilise early next year but dealers are being uber cautious on buying stock and also it's December when a lot will destock anyway. On the basis you have paid off c£4k and your car is worth £17-18k then you have an unfunded c£4k to get out of the finance.
Buying a replacement car at £10k therefore isn't actually going to net you that much spare cash and you'll no doubt have some additional costs for maintenance and repair. I work in the car industry and its seldom even a zero sum game! you have to take your medicine and resolve not to make the same error again!
Luckily no early charges on the loan, can settle in part or in full at any time. Settling in part gives me the option to either keep the remaining monthly payment and they recalculate the shorter term, or keep the remaining term and they recalculate the new monthly payment. Not that it helps much, but that's what the terms of the loan suggest I can do.
 
I don't think you'll get a much better loan at the moment. Sure, advertised loans are at 6.2% ish with some places, but doesn't mean you'll get it.

How long do you have the loan for?

5 year loan. Not looking to get a new loan, but pay off some of the current balance to save money on interest.
 
5 year loan. Not looking to get a new loan, but pay off some of the current balance to save money on interest.

I've never repaid part of a loan early, only paid one off entirely, so I can't give any advice on paying a chunk of it.


In your position, I'd probably want to get a cheaper loan AND pay off a chunk of your existing one.


E.g. Settlement = 27k
Car sale = 14k

Get lower interest loan for 13k + cost of new car. Buy something cheap and cheerful which will do the job.



Either way, you're going to be paying back that loan for a while but it is what it is. Cheaper the car you get, the quicker you get out of the vicious cycle.
 
WBAC offering £14k, Motorway show £16.5k, could maybe get more if I tried to sell privately. Remaining loan balance probably around £22k, so figures very close to what you suggested.

Look at loan rates on Experian, they can offer locked in rates without affecting your credit history. May be able to get in the region of 6-7%

If you can nab a lower rate then make the effort to overpay the loan if can afford too

Not sure I could take the pain of having a 8k loan to pay back with nothing to show.

You live and learn I guess!
 
I'd probably keep the Focus and by using it to commute the car will be utilised and save in train fare, then pay off the loan as soon as possible.

Once the loan is paid off, if you get say a 5 further years of motoring with the Focus with the car owing you nothing, that would be quite a saving compared to another 5 year deal on a different car.
 
How did you even manage to get a loan with a 10% rate (assuming your credit rating is ok) in March? Many banks were offering ~5% on up to £25k, even in May/June this year on personal loans, so they were likely the same or less in March. 10% is nuts.

RE the car. I don't know what to suggest. There is no way out other than taking a massive depreciation loss for 8 months use, or just keeping it. Maybe try and refinance at a lower rate and keep it.

Should have just kept the Kona lease. I don't get why you got the "ick" over paying £300 a month on the lease, and then went out and got a massive loan at a massive interest rate, paying more a month etc.
 
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Refinance the existing loan with a cheaper one, pay off as much as you can.

Keep the focus and stop buying new (or new to use cars), each time you trade a car, you lose thousands to trade margins.

How did you even manage to get a loan with a 10% rate (assuming your credit rating is ok) in March?
10% is pretty standard for car finance at he moment, particularly on used. It’s always far higher than a personal loan, what do you think is paying for all the ‘dealer/finance contributions’?
 
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