Laura Trevelyan

[Mrwong]

My family owned 1,000 slaves and profited from the trade: this is how I am trying to make amends | Laura Trevelyan

I left the BBC to fight for restorative justice. The £100,000 we have so far donated to Grenada should be seen only as a first step, says campaigner Laura Trevelyan

www.theguardian.com

Laura Trevelyan wants the UK government to pay reparations. Yet her family benefited from slave trade.
I personally think she should give up her entire wealth because it derived from slave trade.
I doubted she will ever do that.

 

[Mrwong]

Individuals or private entities can spend their wealth however they so desire. Reparational justice through financial means should not be funded by the taxpayer. Otherwise, it’s an exercise in robbing Peter to pay Paul.

That is exactly what the elite do.

 

[Mrwong]

I don't have any problems with people privately paying reparations to some sort of charity who can then spend on community projects (after schools clubs, youth clubs, youth education etc).

The idea of reparations won't be going away soon either. Given we will likely have a Labour run government in the next couple of years there will MP's like Bell Ribeiro-Addy demanding Sir Keir to pay out reparations:

Rishi Sunak rejects calls for slavery reparations from UK

Prime Minister said unpicking ‘our history is not the right way forward’ after being questioned in Commons

www.telegraph.co.uk

Again I don't have any issue so long as it's not half hearted i.e. if reparations should be paid to correct some sort of perceived historical injustice we should go right back to the start of the supply chain and identify the leaders who were rounding up their own people and putting them in irons or cages to be sold on slaver markets. Look hard enough and you will find wealth families who are the decedents of those Kings who were rounding up people enjoying a nice life. If you want to take a step further maybe look at paying reparations to the ancestors of those 2000 British sailors and marines who lost their life's stamping out the Atlantic salve trade.

If they want the money then they need to accept that those in this country need to leave, and if any have become wealthy need to leave any wealth they created in our country, you can not have it both ways.
There are a lot of races that have been hurt by other races.
They need to accept it and move on.

One thing I have always found strange, most people say we are from Africa and many Africans say we are one people, yet in this case we are not, double standards.
If there are reparations then I expect to get a big payout from our monarchy, the Italians, Arabs, Vikings ( Scandinavians) etc...

 

[Mrwong]

Money makes money though doesn't it. You'd have to work out how much opportunity and status benefits the monetary benefit they had from slaves has given the family over multiple generations.

Bell Ribeiro-Addy she went to Queen Mary, University of London direct links to slave trade. She benefited from this country, would she give back her wealth or 50% of it?

 

[Mrwong]

20% of my DNA is Scandi so I'll just give myself a a boar skin and call it even.

I'll send you an invoice.

 

[Mrwong]

What of the African slavers that the Europeans traded with? Several nations waged war on others in Africa to capture people for the slave trade. Plus there's the Arab slave trade to consider too.

it's a far more complex situation.

Go back to the 9th century and it was the Spanish Muslims that enslaved European Slavs (hence where the name comes from).

Like I say, complex and horrific.

They were not Spanish, they were North Africans, who invaded and controlled half of Spain. Up to this day they still want to claim that land as Muslim.

 

[Mrwong]

I'll speak to my wife and get you an IKEA voucher. That ok?

Ill take one as down payment.

 

[Mrwong]

I am, yes. Though what does that have to do with what I said? Does the colour of my skin make my opinion any less valid on this subject? Odd question to ask.


I wouldn't expect the money to come from tax payers. I don't exactly have a plan of how it should be carried out or even if it should be carried out. I just have respect for someone who wants to attempt to do their part in resolving something that they didn't directly do. Perhaps her family benefitted from it but she didn't have to do anything but she chose to do something and I respect that.

It's like people who clean up a dirty beach despite them not being the ones to create the mess. I respect the effort.

Should the North Africans pay up to the Spanish's for 8 centuries , or should the Muslims pay up for? should the Italian's pay up for the Romans, or should the Ottoman Empire pay back east Europe or Persians pay for their invasions and slavery ?
I think the Spanish and Portuguese have one of the biggest claims in the world. Imagine 7 to 8 centuries of control slavery by another race and religion. Should the 500 years of Mossi Kingdoms or Mutapa kingdom pay other African countries, should the Mogal Empire pay up. This list is endless.

Do you see were we are going with this.

Why is it just the West they are attacking. Is it because that the west have acknowledge their past and now are being guilt tripped by others, who refuse to acknowledge their past or even worse have not acknowledge of their own past history aggression?
Africa Asia have had their evil past as well, why are the Europeans being pointed out but other continents natives not?

 

[Mrwong]

You're having an argument with me about something I'm not even discussing. I'm not saying anyone should be forced to pay. I just simply respect an individuals desire to do what they think is right and rather than just saying what people should do without doing anything, they've taken it upon themselves to do something about it.

That's all I said. You don't need to get defensive with me with 'what abouts'. I'm not calling for anyone to be forced to do something, I'm just simply respecting an individuals efforti

I am not having an argument with you, I have had enough of these people trying to make other feel guilty of something they have not done. I wonder if she would pay the poor British as well, I am sure her family treated the poor British just as bad.

I am sick of hearing of white people are bad, and when I point out that other races are just as bad. I am blocked to counter their attacks, I cannot say what needs to be said because I am from the UK and really I don't have as much freedom of speech like many others. I should absorb the attacks which btw does not work we me.

I give you an example at the gym in the sauna I heard white people cant run, they all laughed. I turned around and said Black people cant swim swim, or east Asians have highest IQs and lack the physical power, we are all different and have our own racial superpowers, it went quite.

We are all different and all have our weaknesses and strengths, that is what makes us different and we are designed like that for a reason. Its seems to me that white people are not allowed to talk about their own superpowers and are made to feel being white is sub standard (That is racial gaslighting by other races).

When I dated a hot black girl from NYU, the amount of abuse we got was pretty bad, specially from guys from her own race.

 

[Mrwong]

But who are you to tell them that? It's like telling someone which charitable causes they should believe in. As far as she is concerned, her family benefitted from the trade and she wants to go some way to try and do some good, even if her perception doesn't align with yours.

She hasn't hurt anyone. As long as it is an individuals action and not an action taken out of the hands of the individual, I.E through Tax, then I don't see the problem with what she has done.

It will end up a problem and later on hurt many people.

 

[Mrwong]

Who pushed her? She looked into her family history and decided she didn't like something and decided to try and do something about it to help the island her family may have impacted negatively.

Who gets to decide if it's right or wrong? You and her clearly have different perspectives on it. Perhaps your family had nothing to do with the trade so that is why you have the stance you do. If you feel your family did benefit from it and it didn't sit right with you, why shouldn't you do something about it if you could?

I can guarantee you her family treated the poor British just as bad in the UK. I do not see her saying "sorry" and finding the British families her family abused.
The point is it has happened, it was a long time ago, nothing to do with us.

 

[Mrwong]

Black-washing is fine...cos reasons.

White-washing though, that's bad. Very bad.

People like Laura are pretty much the worst kind of people and the most dangerous. With her attitude and her ability to publicise, causes equality to regress by 100 years.
People like her cause conflict and divide as we are seeing now.
Preserving your history and identity is important as a group, these polices are designed to fragment a society and cause major disruption.
Sometimes I wonder if this has been caused by the Russians and Chinese going by the way they treat people.
All in all we are heading towards decline.
As I said the cold war never ended, it just turned into a different war.