Leased Line - What speed?

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Hi all,

I work for a company that provides remote support to its customers over the internet. Currently we have an ADSL connection with approx 3Mb DL speed and terrible uploads.

We're looking for the next step from our ASDL connection for the business, so i've started to investigate lease lines. As you would expect the jump in cost going from ADSL to Leased Line is quite a jump so I want to make sure I spec up the correct speed.

Would 2MB be sufficiant for a business that uses 5 - 6 internet support tools, 10 account managers for VPN and 20 local staff? I was under the impression that it might have been a good idea to go for higher speeds but an old collogue has advise that due to the speeds on a dedicated line we wouldnt need to spec to high as the upload and download would be really noticeable on the LL.

Can any one advise?

Thanks in advance
 
Well most modern lines (unless you're getting an E1) will be ethernet over fibre, which means the lowest bearer speed will be 10Mbit and anything lower than that is rate limited - so basically the cost difference between say 4 and 10 shouldn't be massive.

I wouldn't like to run much on 2Mbit these days, I'd consider 4Mbit to be the minimum for most businesses to make it worthwhile over xDSL (or to an extent an E1).
 
If you are looking for a 2mbps connection, then you would likely be better off on an Annex M style dsl line, which can give you a 2.5mbps (max) upload and 24mbps (max) download. If this isn't enough, then you can bond the lines together, or go for an EFM style connection, that is built using multiple shdsl lines to an LLU site.

Someone like Fluidata, Networkflow or Edge Telecomms would be able to help you on this.
 
DSL isn't business grade, if you depend on internet access it's a joke unfortunately and bonding lines simply doesn't work tremendously well - I've spent week in the past playing with various technologies to do it and the ones which work are complex and expensive.

If you feel you've outgrown it then the options, ascending in cost order are - E1, bonded E1, ethernet over fibre at various bandwidths.
 
Bonding lines isnt that hard, given the right equipment.

SHDSL is a business class service, and comes with a business class sla.

I have found we have more issues with lease lines than we do with efm via shdsl due to the multiple lines used to give an overall speed, ie. 3 5mbps lines to give a 10mbps service gives you the redundancy to have a line drop without effecting service.
 
Nunzio said:
If you are looking for a 2mbps connection, then you would likely be better off on an Annex M style dsl line, which can give you a 2.5mbps (max) upload and 24mbps (max) download. If this isn't enough, then you can bond the lines together, or go for an EFM style connection, that is built using multiple shdsl lines to an LLU site.
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Unfortunately the OP is only getting 3meg on an adsl line, so unless that copper is physically faulty, then none of ADSL2+(M) or EFM are an option as the circuit is physically too long..

bigredshark said:
If you feel you've outgrown it then the options, ascending in cost order are - E1, bonded E1, ethernet over fibre at various bandwidths.
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Depends what you are paying for an Ethernet service. With 10meg on the table at £550 pm, then 2xe1's are going to cost an awful lot more than 1xEthernet.
 
PeteK said:
Depends what you are paying for an Ethernet service. With 10meg on the table at £550 pm, then 2xe1's are going to cost an awful lot more than 1xEthernet.
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Our pricing says otherwise, depends where you get your E1s and how your relationship with the carrier is really...
 
Plenty of carriers also offer free installation or the ability to spread it out over the course of the contract making it a bit less of a sting initially to get up and running.
 
If your customers are mainly logging onto web based support tools what about moving the servers to a data centre and then just use the existing ADSL for your office connection? Maybe upgrade the ADSL to a 2Mb SDSL which is better suited for business.
 
SDSL is pretty expensive, with little / no headroom.

One way or another, you need a better connection - if you can't get one by getting a new line in with some decent bonded ADSL2-M lines, then look at fibre.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
SDSL is pretty expensive, with little / no headroom.

One way or another, you need a better connection - if you can't get one by getting a new line in with some decent bonded ADSL2-M lines, then look at fibre.
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It's also (last time I checked) not being directly migrated to 21CN as it's dependent on ATM paths...there will be a replacement but what it will be I don't know.
 
I'd be surprised if they bothered with more copper technologies, especially when people are paying £250+ pcm.

Cheaper to run the fibre and just rate limit it like they do for their more expensive services currently.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
I'd be surprised if they bothered with more copper technologies, especially when people are paying £250+ pcm.

Cheaper to run the fibre and just rate limit it like they do for their more expensive services currently.
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Not really, SDSL isn't that much money wholesale to ISPs, certainly it's far cheaper than WES circuits are still. Nearest equivalent is an E1 (these days usually provisioned over fibre). It wouldn't shock me if it wasn't replaced but there's no price comparable alternative right now so it'll upset a bunch of people if they do.
 
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