Leeds arbitration hearing

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 10:24

ROBERTO MARTINEZ believes the delay over Leeds United's points appeal has denied his Swansea City side "one of the best memories of their career".

So whatever happens the appeal has definitely achieved something

Swansea celebrating winning the title any time before this coming weekend would be like manyoo celebrating the title this weekend just gone.

It is likely they will win it, but not confirmed, so how he thinks they should be able to celebrate it I don't know.

Andybtsn · 29 Apr 2008 at 10:25

He needs to stop crying me thinks.

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 10:29

It makes no sense. Would he not be up in arms had 15 points been docked from Swansea for no reason?

Some people in League 1 need to learn to keep their mouths shut until they're educated on certain subjects.

Stinky · 29 Apr 2008 at 10:43

how will this work out??

say leeds get there points back they will then go 2nd? yet they could have possibly already played in the play off before that is decided?

or maybe i am been stupid

daz · 29 Apr 2008 at 10:46

Gilly said:
It makes no sense. Would he not be up in arms had 15 points been docked from Swansea for no reason?

Some people in League 1 need to learn to keep their mouths shut until they're educated on certain subjects.

Based on your quote, he's annoyed at the delay over the hearing more than anything. It should really be done and dusted by now.

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 11:14

Stinky said:
how will this work out??

say leeds get there points back they will then go 2nd? yet they could have possibly already played in the play off before that is decided?

or maybe i am been stupid

They should find out on thursday, so before the last round of matches.

daz said:
Based on your quote, he's annoyed at the delay over the hearing more than anything. It should really be done and dusted by now.

Of course it should, but he blames Leeds for it - not the football league.

Loki · 29 Apr 2008 at 11:18

Gilly said:
Of course it should, but he blames Leeds for it - not the football league.

That's the thing that is so annoying. The Football League fail to see that their failure to act quickly is causing a lot of unnecessary ill feeling in the game

Silent-Lucidity · 29 Apr 2008 at 12:33

I'd have acted quickly and taken the golden share away from Leeds and booted them out the league. Then see Mr. Bates try to con his way out of that one. :cool:

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 12:48

Good job the football league have at least half a brain between them then

There has been no conning. Stop trolling.

[edit]Except by the league of course.

Lead_Head · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:00

You won't get 2nd place, I'm fairly sure of that.

In my personal opinion it would be gravely unfair on the other teams in League 1 to get any points back.

I understand you've been docked 25 points in total, 10 last season, 15 this season.

Gilly - out of interest, what was the date that the football league notified Leeds United FC (and the whole footballing league) that you were going to be docked 15 points?

And what was the date that Leeds United FC submitted there intent to challenge the decision of docking them 15 points?

Gman · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:05

Gilly said:
Good job the football league have at least half a brain between them then

There has been no conning. Stop trolling.

[edit]Except by the league of course.

If I was the football league I'd send em packing and dock em another 5 points

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After the way they tried to wriggle their way out of ther debt by pulling the admin card when they knew they were down already they deserved to have the book thrown at em.

If there was to be any points given back it should have been sorted at the start of the season, to have it still going on now is a joke.

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:07

Lead_Head said:
You won't get 2nd place, I'm fairly sure of that.

Me too, but we should, and we deserve to.

Lead_Head said:
In my personal opinion it would be gravely unfair on the other teams in League 1 to get any points back.

Your opinion is wrong. It will be unfair on Leeds if they don't get everything back, and shouldn't affect anyone else.

Lead_Head said:
I understand you've been docked 25 points in total, 10 last season, 15 this season.

For different things, which you seem to think is fine :/

Lead_Head said:
Gilly - out of interest, what was the date that the football league notified Leeds United FC (and the whole footballing league) that you were going to be docked 15 points?

Early August I think. Might have been late July.

[edit]4th August

Lead_Head said:
And what was the date that Leeds United FC submitted there intent to challenge the decision of docking them 15 points?

Immediately.

The High Court challenge was submitted in February after Leeds had been to the Football League twice and approached the FA too.

The initial appeal was rejected on the 9th of August.

Gman said:
If I was the football league I'd send em packing and dock em another 5 points .

Again, good job the football league have half a brain between them.

Gman said:
After the way they tried to wriggle their way out of ther debt by pulling the admin card when they knew they were down already they deserved to have the book thrown at em.

Wriggle out of their debt by pulling the admin card?

If you can't share your uninformed/malformed opinion without sounding imbecilic or trolling then don't do so.

Gman said:
If there was to be any points given back it should have been sorted at the start of the season, to have it still going on now is a joke.

First thing you have said that is accurate. This is wholly the league's fault - not Leeds'.

Lead_Head · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:27

Gilly said:
Your opinion is wrong. It will be unfair on Leeds if they don't get everything back, and shouldn't affect anyone else.

I don't see how it's unfair as everyone knew the score at day one. If you got 15 points back that'd put you on 88 points and second place, that would cost Doncaster, Carlisle or Forest around £8m.

You've sealed play-offs so I'd be happy with that given you were -15 at the start of the season. You still have your chance to get promoted to the Championship.

At the end of the day the league has it's laws / rules and applies them as it see's fit. No-one has the right to question them. It's not like appealing against a red card as that's a referee's decision, not the football leagues.

An artibution or a court hearing should have no bearing on a football league.

Silent-Lucidity · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:30

Of course it's not Leeds fault! They are literally whiter than white!! They didn't rake up million's of £'s of debt then fail to pay all their creditor's when the **** hit the fan. They didn't promise not to take the football league to court if they got their golden share back. They didn't try to con their creditor's by forming a new company and writing of all their debt's only to stick two fingers up at their creditor's a few weeks later and sign players on big wages. No clearly they are an example to the rest of the football league on how to run a business/club. Hope they stay in division one for a few season's more!

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:38

Lead_Head said:
I don't see how it's unfair as everyone knew the score at day one. If you got 15 points back that's put you on 88 points and second place, that would cost Doncaster, Carlisle or Forest around £8m.

They should have been the 2nd best team in the division, rather than 3rd, 4th or 5th. At first I was going to say unlucky for them, but it isn't. They just haven't been good enough. They were aware there was an appeal due to an unlawful docking of points so should have approached the season with the view that all points could have been returned.

It won't cost them money, they just won't gain it unfairly in place of Leeds.

Lead_Head said:
You've sealed play-offs so I'd be happy with that given you were -15 at the start of the season. You still have your chance to get promoted to the Championship.

Yes, a chance. How can we be happy when we've earned automatic promotion and a chance at being champions with one game of the season left when we've been given nothing more than a lottery ticket for promotion?

Leeds deserve credit for getting a guaranteed playoff spot this season. They were given an unfair playing field with the entire league they're playing against given an advantage on them, and have still been nothing short of amazing.

That doesn't make an unfair punishment any fairer.

Lead_Head said:
At the end of the day the league has it's laws / rules and applies them as it see's fit. No-one has the right to question them. It's not like appealing against a red card as that's a referee's decision, not the football leagues.

What a stupid comment. The league makes a rule up, slaps the heaviest punishment ever on a team for their administrators being forced to break a rule that will not work until the league and the tax man come to an agreement.

The right to appeal should always be there. This is one of the stupidest comments I've seen on the subject.

Lead_Head said:
An artibution or a court hearing should have no bearing on a football league.

It shouldn't, no. However, when the football league acts in such a way as to disgrace itself as it has this season it should be brought to account. They have had plenty of chances to sort this whole mess out, and have failed to do so. The FA were asked to get involved and would not. Leeds have been forced outside of football to get a fair hearing. This is also not the fault of the club.

Weebull · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:38

As I said in the other thread, the cynical part of me is all but dead-certain that Leeds will probably get some sympathy points back from the FA, but it'll just so happen that they won't quite get enough to take them into 2nd place. That way, the FA can be smugly satisfied that no harm has really been financially done to any of the other clubs (as the top 2 will still be the top 2, the play-off teams will still be the same (albeit re-ordered), and those outside will stay there), whilst getting those pesky complaining Leeds types of their backs. While of course, completing ignoring the tiresome psychological effect this has had on all the teams involved in this stupid dispute.

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:41

Silent-Lucidity said:
Of course it's not Leeds fault! They are literally whiter than white!!

No, the former chairman and board of Leeds did not act as they should have done. Do you not think everyone connected to Leeds would change that if they could? Why should the fans now be punished for what the **** heads did so long ago?

As for the rest of your post, you've been warned already not to troll.

Weebull said:
As I said in the other thread, the cynical part of me is all but dead-certain that Leeds will probably get some sympathy points back from the FA, but it'll just so happen that they won't quite get enough to take them into 2nd place. That way, the FA can be smugly satisfied that no harm has really been financially done to any of the other clubs (as the top 2 will still be the top 2, the play-off teams will still be the same (albeit re-ordered), and those outside will stay there), whilst getting those pesky complaining Leeds types of their backs. While of course, completing ignoring the tiresome psychological effect this has had on all the teams involved in this stupid dispute.

They won't get away that easily (although I agree with you in principle). Every other club that goes into administration is going to have the same problem. There are already 3 other clubs waiting to see what will happen to Leeds, because it will happen to them too.

This issue has been directly caused by the Football League and HMRC. If it isn't resolved the Football League will simply continue to show how stupid they are.

Silent-Lucidity · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:49

Any opinion other than your own is trolling? I think your original post was trolling myself, so you have no room to talk.

Gilly · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:51

No, opinions are fine. Posting something you know will get a reaction, or simply in order to get a reaction, is trolling.

You plainly don't know anything about the subject, so maybe it is better to stay quiet

Silent-Lucidity · 29 Apr 2008 at 13:56

Well I think you should remove this whole topic then, since your original post is trolling in your own words. You posted to get this exact reaction, then slate people for doing exactly what you expected.