Let Battle Commence

Mal X · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:41

LeJosh said:
I was going to say, better launch for who? Us or ATi?

I think ATi have reaped the rewards from both public and corporate areas. Just a shame some of you suffered.

ATI havent reaped any rewards, because a hell of a lot of us haven't brought their new cards and dont intend to... we're waiting patiently for Nvidia to fight back...and they will, just you wait..... lets see who has the last laugh in January :cool:

Final8y · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:42

Rroff said:
eh? atleast nVidia have working multi GPU out on new titles very quickly - infact they usually have SLI updates available for older drivers much sooner but for some reason not many people seem to know about that facility...

Its not the point that was made be the NV users, there point is that NV does not need fixes.

queamin · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:45

Mal X said:
ATI havent reaped any rewards, because a hell of a lot of us haven't brought their new cards and dont intend to... we're waiting patiently for Nvidia to fight back...and they will, just you wait..... lets see who has the last laugh in January

Yes we see they don't make much on the high end if they cannot scale it down ati will rake it in.

Final8y · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:49

Rroff said:
With what I'm talking about there are no alternatives... before CUDA came along the performance and functionality simply didn't exist... or would have cost 1000s of times as much...

You don't seem to know much about CUDA despite the amount you **** it off...

Its not CUDA that im slagging off, its the the NV way uses it that i am.
I know plenty about CUDA & its nothing special besides getting stuff to work on the GPU that is normally done by the CPU.

So besides speeding some things up through the GPU it does not do anything that cant be done on the CPU.

Rroff · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:49

Final8y said:
Its not the point that was made be the NV users, there point is that NV does not need fixes.

SLI profile != fix - its the nature of the technology that some titles require a profile for best performance or compatibility.

CUDA has won numerous awards for transforming many industrial fields... for what it does there is no alternative that gives you the same mix of affordability, processing power and functionality with the same ease of use and level of support and documentation...

psychas · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:53

good news slides the credit card back to a wallet :rolleyes:

dangerstat · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:58

Final8y said:
Its not CUDA that im slagging off, its the the NV way uses it that i am.
I know plenty about CUDA & its nothing special besides getting stuff to work on the GPU that is normally done by the CPU.

So besides speeding some things up through the GPU it does not do anything that cant be done on the CPU.

"the way that NV uses it"

For lolage come on tell us how you think they are "mis-using it?"

LeJosh · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:59

Mal X said:
ATI havent reaped any rewards, because a hell of a lot of us haven't brought their new cards and dont intend to... we're waiting patiently for Nvidia to fight back...and they will, just you wait..... lets see who has the last laugh in January

Eh?

Final8y · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:59

Rroff said:
SLI profile != fix - its the nature of the technology that some titles require a profile for best performance or compatibility.

Exactly so there should not have been making an issue out of it in the first place

Rroff said:
CUDA has won numerous awards for transforming many industrial fields... for what it does there is no alternative that gives you the same mix of affordability, processing power and functionality with the same ease of use and level of support and documentation...

Besides the cost saving & speed there is nothing new about it.
functionality with the same ease of use and level of support and documentation is always used in marketing talk regardless & is assumed that such things comes with progress in any field.

Anyway we are not industrialist.

Mal X · 25 Sep 2009 at 16:59

queamin said:
Yes we see they don't make much on the high end if they cannot scale it down ati will rake it in.

yea exactly..............the gtx 300 must not be too expensive like the Mars, or ATI will rake in the dosh........... i expect that NVIDIA realise this....

70 quid more expensive is ok, but definitely not an extra 200.

i expect Nvidia management are on this forum... spying what's posted in... keeping an eye on everything

straxusii · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:02

To those hoping to buy a GTX380 when it comes out Ive got an interesting question, how much would you want it to outperform the 5870?

Sounds like a silly question but think about it, if it outperforms it by lets say 20% then I expect Nvidia will launch it around the £350 mark with 5870's dropping to ~£250 at that point.

But what if it stomps it? What if it outperforms it by 50-100%? Great you say but imagine what Nvidia would charge for it in that situation.

Final8y · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:04

dangerstat said:
"the way that NV uses it"

For lolage come on tell us how you think they are "mis-using it?"

By making users think that its actually a native hardware implementation when its not.

psychas · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:06

straxusii said:
To those hoping to buy a GTX380 when it comes out Ive got an interesting question, how much would you want it to outperform the 5870?

Sounds like a silly question but think about it, if it outperforms it by lets say 20% then I expect Nvidia will launch it around the £350 mark with 5870's dropping to ~£250 at that point.

But what if it stomps it? What if it outperforms it by 50-100%? Great you say but imagine what Nvidia would charge for it in that situation.

well its not going to hurt if we wait and see and if it is and it probably will be 20% faster still win win situation as 5870 will drop price

PGdude · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:06

THIS IS TOO MUCH DRAMA FOR ME TO HANDLE IN ONE QUARTER

Alpherah · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:07

Fanboys killed another thread i see

Rroff · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:11

straxusii said:
To those hoping to buy a GTX380 when it comes out Ive got an interesting question, how much would you want it to outperform the 5870?

Sounds like a silly question but think about it, if it outperforms it by lets say 20% then I expect Nvidia will launch it around the £350 mark with 5870's dropping to ~£250 at that point.

But what if it stomps it? What if it outperforms it by 50-100%? Great you say but imagine what Nvidia would charge for it in that situation.

I'll happily put down £500 ish on one if they are 40+% faster than the 5870... If its <20% faster then I'll prolly stick with what I have for now.

unknownsock · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:13

hyperst said:
Is that the case at present time, i think not, that maybe so next year but at present it certainly isnt, i want to play my games today not next year lol

PhysX does almost nothing to gameplay anyway.
Lets wait for the next gen consoles to catch up first..

Mal X · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:15

straxusii said:
To those hoping to buy a GTX380 when it comes out Ive got an interesting question, how much would you want it to outperform the 5870?

Sounds like a silly question but think about it, if it outperforms it by lets say 20% then I expect Nvidia will launch it around the £350 mark with 5870's dropping to ~£250 at that point.

But what if it stomps it? What if it outperforms it by 50-100%? Great you say but imagine what Nvidia would charge for it in that situation.

no............ they wont charge too much will they, because the Mars hasn't sold has it..... that is way too much...... if it was 50 % more powerful than the 5870 .... about 70 to 100 quid more..

but i doubt it'll be 100 % more powerful..................... only a GTX 380 X2 will have that much grunt......................... but then again, ATI will release an X2 version as well.

i can not see the point of buying anything now..... i think it's very unwise to do so.... because i think in the next 4 months, you'll see something really powerful up for sale..................another Mars type DX 11 card but far cheaper

you might find a monster card like this from both ATI and Nvidia...........the most expensive they can go seems about 600 quid....but my guess is about 500 quid for a monster 4GB card. ..........but i'm not sure..... only speculating

Rroff · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:15

unknownsock said:
PhysX does almost nothing to gameplay anyway.
Lets wait for the next gen consoles to catch up first..

PhysX can do a lot for gameplay... its just no one will use it in that capacity because it would cut out a large slice of the potential audience...

If you haven't seen it... skip to 1 minute 16 onwards in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyKCM-Bpuw&annotation_id=annotation_758891&feature=iv

IMO thats some nice additional effects even without the gameplay changing stuff... sure some of those effects you could fake up on the CPU but nothing like as convincingly.

Final8y · 25 Sep 2009 at 17:18

Mal X said:
no............ they wont charge too much will they, because the Mars hasn't sold has it..... that is way too much...... if it was 50 % more powerful than the 5870 .... about 70 to 100 quid more..

but i doubt it'll be 100 % more powerful..................... only a GTX 380 X2 will have that much grunt......................... but then again, ATI will release an X2 version as well.

i can not see the point of buying anything now..... i think it's very unwise to do so.... because i think in the next 4 months, you'll see something really powerful up for sale..................another Mars type DX 11 card but far cheaper

The Mars is not an official NV SKU product so does not count as NV pricing.