LG c9 OLED

Thanks!

Another curveball is that I've found a friend who works at Samsung can get me the following models on their staff discount:

Samsung Q90R 65 inch - £1470
Samsung Q950R 65 inch - £1937

Unfortunately the Q90R is out of stock, and I don't really see the need for 8k just yet, but I am actually tempted with the latter due to it being over half price from retail.

(Appreciate this is an LG thread so I'll probably ask elsewhere too :))
 
Em3bbs said:
Thanks!

Another curveball is that I've found a friend who works at Samsung can get me the following models on their staff discount:

Samsung Q90R 65 inch - £1470
Samsung Q950R 65 inch - £1937

Unfortunately the Q90R is out of stock, and I don't really see the need for 8k just yet, but I am actually tempted with the latter due to it being over half price from retail.

(Appreciate this is an LG thread so I'll probably ask elsewhere too :))
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I was in Richer Sounds the other day and was pretty impressed with the black levels on the Q90R and mentioned this to the guy in the shop - I also noted that they were displaying a 4K UHD demo on the Samsung QLED next to what looked like an SD Broadcast on the Sony OLED next to it. The worker then popped on the same content as the Sony, and the difference was very noticeable IMO. The Sony OLED was far superior for colour, blacks and tone than the QLED - the QLED was overly bright and a little washed out.

If you can see them displaying the same content (Ideally not a cherry picked demo) next to each other, try to do this as it will let you see some real-world differences between the two - you can then go with what pleases your eyes most as at the end of the day that is what's most important.
 
Looks like Richersounds are starting to get low on stock as you can no longer order them online and need to go to store.

Currys still delivering, both using same pricing and discount codes + sky 18month 50% discount.
 
sHo0sH said:
f you can see them displaying the same content (Ideally not a cherry picked demo) next to each other, try to do this as it will let you see some real-world differences between the two - you can then go with what pleases your eyes most as at the end of the day that is what's most important.
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if you look at the lg oled thread on the new ($140 s/w + $$ meter) calman calibration flow, out of the box c9 calibration is very accurate, and I believe the rtings/flatpanel reviews say if this is similarly the case for other brands .... so the differences can be accounted for there.
Sony like Panasonic are reputed for their good picture processing and up-scaling in both the oled+lcd domains, so thats another factor/advantage to them, over LG/samsung.
If the content is not something that should be pathalogically bad for an lcd/q90r with some dimming zones then it's likely to be, a correctable, calibration issue.

edit: eg flatpanels q90r review

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1557215154
For SDR video, we needed to make only a few adjustments to the Movie mode to get color accuracy roughly in line with the reference. As usual, it is not possible to deactivate dynamic backlight control completely. Also, in the highest setting for dynamic backlight control, the gamma curve for SDR video will be significantly distorted, meaning that mid-tones in the picture appear far too bright. At its lowest setting, the TV tracks closer to the reference.

The same cannot be said for HDR video. Here, dynamic backlight control always defaults to max. Samsung explains that its dynamic tone-mapping system has been modified based on tests with focus groups. Samsung argues that these tests reveal that a majority of users prefer a brighter picture. As a consequence, all picture modes in Q90R are too bright compared to the PQ2084 EOTF curve - like last year's models. At the same time, the transition to the clipping plateau in highlights happens very suddenly, meaning that highlight details have little headroom and are harder to reproduce. For you as a viewer, this means that details in the brightest parts of the picture tend to disappear into full white. We must criticize this approach and especially the fact that not even Movie mode adheres to the reference.
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Glanza said:
Looks like Richersounds are starting to get low on stock as you can no longer order them online and need to go to store.

Currys still delivering, both using same pricing and discount codes + sky 18month 50% discount.
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Just noticed this myself. Had just talked myself into ordering one from RS.
May have to give my nearest store a call today to see if they have any.

If not I guess I will order from Currys.
 
I bought a projector to bide my time until a 77'' OLED was available but honestly im going to find it so hard to go back from a 95 inch image now to 77 inches. Anyone who hasn't tried one out and is biding their time, do it!
 
aoaaron said:
I bought a projector to bide my time until a 77'' OLED was available but honestly im going to find it so hard to go back from a 95 inch image now to 77 inches. Anyone who hasn't tried one out and is biding their time, do it!
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I'd rather have 77 inches of the best quality than 95 inches of what looks worse than a CRT TV.

And even the best commercial cinema projectors still pale in comparison to what TV's are now doing.
 
Grim5 said:
I'd rather have 77 inches of the best quality than 95 inches of what looks worse than a CRT TV.

And even the best commercial cinema projectors still pale in comparison to what TV's are now doing.
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I would definitely agree with you until I got one. I hated the thoughts of projectors, felt the image was subpar and loved FALD and OLEDs to death.

Now I just can't go back. The TV's look absolutely tiny and especially with any black bar content, just look borderline pathetic. The image quality on the TV is beautiful, crisp and engaging but for myself, it just lacks any impact.

I almost wish I never got a PJ now as its really hard going back from the sheer size. The motion projectors produce is quite obscene and their upscaling software and reality creation for example on the Sony's make the images so much sharper than I thought they would be. There is also something magical about projection IMO.

You can have as many pixels as you want but if your screen is small and tiny like 55 or 65 inches.. there are some details you'll simply never see.

My next TV has to be the 77inch OLED or maybe an 85 inch FALD if they release one. I'm crossing my fingers Sony do it as I don't like Samsung's QA. Otherwise an LG OLED 77'' with Gsync C9 will act the TV duties.

Again.. I had EXACTLY the same opinion as yourself. I only bought a projector to demo it out and have a bit of fun until the 77'' OLEDs drop in price to <sub £4,000. Now I'm having to plan ahead for a new 77'' OLED and a new PJ haha.

But yeah.. everyone has their different tastes. I definitely thought mine aligned moreso with yourselves until I experienced it in my own home. I do have the dedicated room, light control and home theatre system to make it fairly decent tho.. and I still have a TV and monitor. haha.
 
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See where's I'm the opposite, I prefer quality over almost everything, which is why my OLED has pretty much ruined the cinema for me, since the blacks at the cinema are pathetic compared to my OLED and it isn't in HDR at the cinema's near me either.
 
Broken Hope said:
See where's I'm the opposite, I prefer quality over almost everything, which is why my OLED has pretty much ruined the cinema for me, since the blacks at the cinema are pathetic compared to my OLED and it isn't in HDR at the cinema's near me either.
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Tbh the blacks at the cinema are crap
Compared to everything..my pj, iPhone, iPad and tv both destroy it in blacks. The only thing is can compete with is my pc monitor

I just personally can’t enjoy a movie on such a tiny screen. Especially 21:9 or CinemaScope content. It looks so small, details can’t be made out. It’s fine for tv but I think it’s far from proving a home cinema experience.

maybe a 77’ oled would just about be getting there
 
Unless your PJ is a DLP (CRT like tech) or Laser i do not see how it can have great blacks as most now are based on LCD tech.

I had a midrange Optima DLP and it was not very good on blacks on a white screen, may have been better on silver/grey or even a black screen.

I grew up on CRT and still have a Sony FW900 and Pioneer Kuro LX5090 Plasma so know good blacks, my PC monitor is poor in comparison and it is a VA panel, TN and IPS even worse.
 
Broken Hope said:
See where's I'm the opposite, I prefer quality over almost everything, which is why my OLED has pretty much ruined the cinema for me, since the blacks at the cinema are pathetic compared to my OLED and it isn't in HDR at the cinema's near me either.
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+1

Would never go back to anything non oled again.

I'll definitely be upgrading to a 65+" oled telly next time though as 55" feels a bit small now.
 
Really happy with the 65" C9, would have loved to get the 77" but the cost of that was about what I paid for my full system and new blackout curtains!
 
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Unless your PJ is a DLP (CRT like tech) or Laser i do not see how it can have great blacks as most now are based on LCD tech.

I had a midrange Optima DLP and it was not very good on blacks on a white screen, may have been better on silver/grey or even a black screen.

I grew up on CRT and still have a Sony FW900 and Pioneer Kuro LX5090 Plasma so know good blacks, my PC monitor is poor in comparison and it is a VA panel, TN and IPS even worse.
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DLP projectors aren't the best. You really want a Sony or ideally a JVC projector to get the best blacks. Or newer Epsons for something decent.

I'm not at all surprised that the Optoma on a white screen in a non treated room would look terrible. Ideally you want an ALR screen in a non blacked out room (I mean a room whcih doesnt have black walls and ceilings.. those cost around £1500). By the sounds of what you're saying, you haven't seen a decent projector with an ALR screen in person and I feel as if I'm discussing a technology that you might not be totally up to date on.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link another forum but there is a UK based AV forum who discuss the Draper react screens in depth and some users have posted some pretty awesome screenshots.

Regardless though, we all have our tastes. Its why I'm going to have the room setup of a 77 inch OLED AND a Projector. :) I'm hoping the size difference between 77 and 95'' isn't too high as I would prefer to go back to a TV.

I adore the inky blacks of an OLED especially for gaming and TV but for Home cinema, I just find a 55''' and 65'' screen too tiny and non-impactful that I can't take it seriously. Maybe I should just sit closer lol.

I'm not hating on OLED here BTW. I LOVE OLED but I don't like small screens. I wish the 77'' version was more affordable and they did bigger screens too.
 
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I know all about the Sony's that cost £1500-3000 or more at the time I had my PJ (all 1080p then) and have seen them in stores in special rooms but I feel your overrating them so that is my opinion and you have yours, you are not talking to someone who is clueless about them but there is a limit to how much I want to rearrange my home to suit a PJ instead of a TV (so sorry if you feel your are wasting you time).

I am not going down the PJ route again as since OLED came out it is not a must to try and get better blacks.

By the time you buy a high end PJ, screen and decorate you room to try get the best out oi it you could buy a bigger OLED, not sure how much 77" cost now but in a few years it will still be the same size but cost less same as 65" has dropepd.

I am sure I seen some TV's in the 80" range not sure if OLED but there is a 8k 88" LG OLED but cost £30K
 
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I know all about the Sony's that cost £1500-3000 or more at the time I had my PJ (all 1080p then) and have seen them in stores in special rooms but I feel your overrating them so that is my opinion and you have yours, you are not talking to someone who is clueless about them but there is a limit to how much I want to rearrange my home to suit a PJ instead of a TV (so sorry if you feel your are wasting you time).

I am not going down the PJ route again as since OLED came out it is not a must to try and get better blacks.

By the time you buy a high end PJ, screen and decorate you room to try get the best out oi it you could buy a bigger OLED, not sure how much 77" cost now but in a few years it will still be the same size but cost less same as 65" has dropepd.

I am sure I seen some TV's in the 80" range not sure if OLED but there is a 8k 88" LG OLED but cost £30K
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When you started to say DLP is the best, you confused me.

77inch OLED is around £5000-6000. Hopefully when it comes to clearance stock, it comes down to £3,500.

I'm not denying the drawbacks of projection (cost, ergonomics, lack of ease of use, needs to be watched in the dark for the best PQ, wiring, lack of any HDR standard, no gsync). BIG difference between a 77 inch image and a 95 inch image and a 120 inch image (not even going to bring a 55'' or 65'' screen into the discussion).

But alas, it was just a suggestion. I myself did it and had little faith in it being any good (just a bit of a hobby) but I've been shocked by the £650 outlay. I'm now sitting with my 65'' TV (which now gets no use) and the PJ until the 77'' OLEDs come down in price :D. I returned an LG OLED C9 55'', absolutely loved it as a monitor but it was too small for a TV.


Just did a quick video of the cheap sony PJ + the draper react 3 screen:
https://vimeo.com/380779097
(the bottom light grey bits are the screen.. haven't bothered to align it properly as i haven't decide dhow im setting this up).

and no.. im not stating those blacks are as good as oled.. but i think they are definitely approaching the mid-range end of my black level fetish considering its a big 95 inch projected image.

i did use the projector on a white wall and it was HORRIBLE.. like embrassing.


I'd like to once again re-iterate.. im not trying to make this a projector vs OLED. I'm VERY approreciative of the infinite contrast ratio and visual fidelity of OLEDs hence my plans to try and get a big one. :D

I'm hoping 77 inches strikes the perfect compromise in size. I'm sure it will tbh. Then I'll have to just chance the burn in as its hooked up to my PC.
 
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I never said anywhere DLP was the best but it has got better blacks than LCD based PJ (in same price range and tech at that time).

I cannot be bothered reading all above, topic is OLED after all.
 
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