Soldato
Especially when boundary issues was in exchange for the AV vote
Lib-Dems accept defeat on Lords:
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Especially when boundary issues was in exchange for the AV vote
Caporegime
Yup. Typical Clegg. Still, the Tories broke the coalition agreement, it's reasonable of Clegg to kick back.
This is cracking news for Labour though; they'll carry their systemic electoral advantage into the next election now, pretty much putting the nail in the coffin of a Tory victory next time around unless something massive happens.
It has been happening for years, this is nothing new sadly.
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The Liberal Democrat Conference takes place in September 2012.
Lords reform was part of the Coalition agreement between Cameron and Clegg.
Cameron failed to get the Tory party to honour the Coalition agreement.
Clegg has finally realised (too late for him) that the Liberal Democrats are just lobby fodder for the Tories.
All pretty inevitable really although I do realise that Clegg's failure to roll over and do as he is told will be a huge disappointment to the right-wing loonies on this forum.
Lords reform was part of the Coalition agreement between Cameron and Clegg.
Cameron failed to get the Tory party to honour the Coalition agreement.
Clegg has finally realised (too late for him) that the Liberal Democrats are just lobby fodder for the Tories.
All pretty inevitable really although I do realise that Clegg's failure to roll over and do as he is told will be a huge disappointment to the right-wing loonies on this forum.
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This Coalition has been a complete and utter farce.
The Conservatives have pretty much reneged on all of their major reform promises to the LibDems at this point.
Add that to the fact that the LibDems mostly u-turned on all of their top manifesto principles that saw them voted into the coalition in the first place, for e.g. the student fees debacle.
Add that to the gross incompetence bordering on criminal negligence of Osbourne, Gove, et al...
Shambles. How can anyone have faith in politics after this charade?
The Conservatives have pretty much reneged on all of their major reform promises to the LibDems at this point.
Add that to the fact that the LibDems mostly u-turned on all of their top manifesto principles that saw them voted into the coalition in the first place, for e.g. the student fees debacle.
Add that to the gross incompetence bordering on criminal negligence of Osbourne, Gove, et al...
Shambles. How can anyone have faith in politics after this charade?
Soldato
Please list all of their major reform promises that have been reneged on?
So far the Lib Dems have been able to implement three quarters of their manifesto - making them more effective than some New Labour manifesto terms. So, how do you figure?
To be fair Labour were always going to win the next election, Gordon Brown must have been the happiest man to ever not get re-elected because he knew whichever party had to deal with his/blair's mess would have to bring in measures/policys that would have the public calling for their heads. Its an amazing double whammy that Labour have managed to turn the public against both the Torys/Libdems at the same time, and even more amazingly they did it by bankrupting the country.
Caporegime
The coalition agreement is a holistic package, there isn't any provision for "if you vote against X then we vote against Y". You also can't have only one side sticking to the coalition agreement and the other side ignoring it, the Lib Dem ministers could all be resigning today and crossing the floor tomorrow but instead they've decided to stick with being in government.
It seems to me to be entirely right that the number of MPs in the House of Commons - the elected part of parliament - should not reduce unless accompanied by significant reform, including reduction of numbers, of the unelected House. It wouldn't surprise me if the Conservatives get their boundary changes anyway.
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Caporegime
I don't believe this to be true. Sure, there was always going to be a rough few years but the Tories and - particularly - the LibDems have made things much worse for them selves with their policy decisions: the Student Fees fiasco*, the radical re-organisation of the NHS, the decision to target disabled people as a primary source of budget cuts. Some of these things play well to the Tory base but their poison to the Lib Dem supporters and to a sizeable chunk of the middle ground voters that the Tories will need behind them to win the next election.
Even so, with competent economic management they could have been looking at the next election after several years of decent growth but Osborne's recession has scotched any chance of that.
* - which, by the way, is actually going to cost more money in the lifetime of the parliament.
You don't do politics much do you?
Soldato
No personal attacks - Gilly
Technically its Browns/Darlings's recession, Osborne has done a good job despite people hating him for it that's why the UK is doing better than most country's including some that are supposed to be better off financially.
I think this pretty much sums up the last 15 years of british politics:
Blair: Yay I win, ooh look at all this money Majors saved up, here people free toys! free toys!
Brown: Awesome I get to be pri- aww heck Tony's blown all the money on toys! /meh no problem I can just sell of the gold reserves and loan more money, as long as people get the toys they will be happy.
Cameron: Yay I wi- aww what they spent all the money on toys and spent the runup to the election lying about how much debt the country was actually in!?! god dammit now were going to have to take back the toys to save the country, people aren't going to like this >.>
The Public: OMG! their taking the toys away! goddamn politicians lynch the lot of them!
Millipede: Vote for me and ill bring back the toys!
The Public: Yaaay!
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Who cares about getting reelected when you can just walk into a highly paid directorship in return for giving away the nation's wealth?
Just watch as the Tories flog off the NHS & Network Rail (again) at bargain basement prices to their buddies and loyal donors
Tories - A Vote for the rich to get richer & everyone else can go to hell.
Labour - Continue the mass immigration & benefits to all the rubbish that comes here.
LibDem - A vote to surrender to Europe.
UKIP - A step on the right road.
BNP - Gotta be worth a try to sort the mess out we are in.
Green - Go away and plant yourself
Labour - Continue the mass immigration & benefits to all the rubbish that comes here.
LibDem - A vote to surrender to Europe.
UKIP - A step on the right road.
BNP - Gotta be worth a try to sort the mess out we are in.
Green - Go away and plant yourself
Lib Dems might as well disband, betrayed their voters for a crack at being in power and failed to do anything with it, UKIP will probably be the third choice party from now on.
All they are doing now is propping up this unpopular Tory dominated coalition.
All they are doing now is propping up this unpopular Tory dominated coalition.
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Soldato
I wish you'd get your facts right, because that could have made a witty read!
Ultimately, Blair wasn't in control of spending, Brown was (confirmed by Al Darling, Andrew Rawnsley and Blair's bios). To add to that, Blair also started to get cold feet about how much they were spending in and beyond 2005, but was powerless.
Brown didn't spend most of the money made from the gold euros (he did something worse - bought Euros with it).
I recommend reading http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Party-Andrew-Rawnsley/dp/0141046147
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Caporegime
The first recession was Brown's recession. The double dip is all down to Osborne. As for your laughable notion that the UK is doing better than most country's that's just plain counter-factual; we're not even keeping up with the Eurozone average! Osborne has monumentally failed to efficiently manage the UK economy and his failure to do so is threatening the raison d'être behind his policy decisions.
Soldato
The first recession wasn't Brown's, and the double dip is not down to Osborne.
How can you be that blinkered, seriously, to call the recession's Brown's making when almost all of the world went into recession? We have our disagreements, but I expected better of you.
The recession cannot be pinned on Brown. What can be pinned on Brown (and 12 years of New Labour) is our inability to deal cushion the blow - whether that is spending capacity now or generally more effective policy throughout.
The double dip cannot be pinned on Osborne either. What exactly do you expect him to do? Not only that, but there wouldn't even be a double-dip recession (which essentially doesn't mean anything when we're talking about fractions of GDP with big statistical error) without the first recession.
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